X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 22:17:43 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.48] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with ESMTP id 4585566 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:22:08 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.48; envelope-from=j.hafen@comcast.net Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Z1U91f0011HpZEsA5AMa5G; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 22:21:34 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.5] ([24.17.111.171]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ZAMX1f0013hvfg88aAMZmG; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 22:21:33 +0000 From: John Hafen Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-57-512961982 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit X-Original-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:21:30 -0800 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) --Apple-Mail-57-512961982 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Foreflight. On Nov 19, 2010, at 1:53 PM, YoSamuel@aol.com wrote: > John Hafen. > =20 > What software do you use for your IFR and VFR charts? > =20 > Thanks. > =20 > Dave. > =20 > =20 > =20 > In a message dated 11/19/2010 5:03:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, = j.hafen@comcast.net writes: > My iPad provides moving map display on top of VFR or IFR charts as I = fly, as well as groundspeed, GPS Altitude, and Track. At 22,000 feet, = well away from cell towers. >=20 > What you can't get airborne is weather information. =20 >=20 > John Hafen >=20 >=20 > On Nov 18, 2010, at 4:52 PM, H & J Johnson wrote: >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> John, I thought so too, until I started to talking to the Apple rep = at the store. I've got the second highest level iPad [32Gb w/ 3G] and = there is no GPS [as in 'true' GPS w/ a built in receiver]. What it does = have is what they call A-GPS or "Assisted" GPS through connection to a = 3G tower. If your connected to 3G, then you have a 'sorta' GPS, however = there is still no actuall connection or reception of SAT signals. For = me flying @ FL240 it's pretty useless in this regard, but I would still = recommend it as a tool for carrying your charts etc. Foreflight and = FliteDeck are very nice. >>=20 >> Google the iPad w/ GPS stuff, there is lots of ppl not terribly happy = that it doesn't infact have a proper receiver. >>=20 >> Fwiw >>=20 >> Jarrett Johnson >>=20 >> 235/320 55% >>=20 >> > Not true. The higher end models do have gps. I know because my=20 >> > wife got me the wrong one to start with. I had to take it back and=20= >> > pay a few hundred more to get what I needed.....=20 >> >=20 >> > On Nov 16, 2010, at 6:24 AM, "Dominic V. Crain"=20 >> > wrote:=20 >> >=20 >> > > Yeah =96 I just went to look at an iPad as a b=92day present (for=20= >> > meself) and when quizzed the so-called Apple expert finally=20 >> > acknowledged there is no GPS receiver built in to the iPad =96 you=20= >> > have to be in range of a 3G cell tower. Not a lot of use in the=20 >> > outback>=20 >> > > Cheers=20 >> > >=20 >> > > Dom Crain=20 >> > >=20 >> > > VH-CZJ=20 >> > >=20 >> > > =20 >> > >=20 >> > > From: Lancair Mailing List [lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20= >> > H & J Johnson=20 >> > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 1:21 PM=20 >> > > To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 >> > > Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit=20 >> > >=20 >> > > =20 >> > >=20 >> > > Bob Are you positive that your unit has a built in GPS? I just=20 >> > upgrade my iPad from the standard wi-fi to the 3G + wi-fi and was=20= >> > wanting the unit w/ a GPS but was told that infact they do-not=20 >> > come w/ a GPS. There are 'GPS emulators' that make it work like a=20= >> > GPS but it isn't infact and gps. I can't get any 'gps' functions=20= >> > to work on my w/out the 3G operating.=20 >> > >=20 >> > > As to external GPS units that integrate w/ blue tooth, what or=20 >> > where does one get such a beast?=20 >> > >=20 >> > > REALLY liking my iPAD for in-cockpit work. I did an entire trip=20= >> > last night central Canada to Denver and return to Canada w/ two=20 >> > stops and didn't pick up a single chart book or map [I have them=20 >> > still, I just don't use them]. It doesn't get better than that!!=20 >> > Esp when going into somewhere larger like Denver Metro area and=20 >> > getting 'yanked' around a bit switching up arrival plates or=20 >> > approach plates is a synch.=20 >> > >=20 >> > > Couldn't recommend it enough!=20 >> > >=20 >> > > Btw, to date [only been using a iPad for ~4 weeks] I've not had=20= >> > issue w/ heat or altitude and I generally fly Fl240 or Fl250 w/ a=20= >> > cabin alt of 7-8000'=20 >> > >=20 >> > > Fwiw=20 >> > >=20 >> > > Jarrett Johnson=20 >> > >=20 >> > > 235/320 55%=20 >> > >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html >=20 > =3D --Apple-Mail-57-512961982 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 YoSamuel@aol.com = wrote:
John Hafen.
 
What software do you use for your IFR and VFR charts?
 
Thanks.
 
Dave.
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/19/2010 5:03:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,=20= j.hafen@comcast.net = writes:
My iPad=20 provides moving map display on top of VFR or IFR charts as I fly, as = well as=20 groundspeed, GPS Altitude, and Track.  At 22,000 feet, well away = from=20 cell towers.=20

What you can't get airborne is weather information.  

John Hafen


On Nov 18, 2010, at 4:52 PM, H & J Johnson wrote:




John, I thought = so too, until I started to talking to the Apple rep at=20 the store. I've got the second highest level iPad [32Gb w/ 3G] and = there is=20 no GPS [as in 'true' GPS w/ a built in receiver]. What it does have = is what=20 they call A-GPS or "Assisted" GPS through connection to a 3G tower. = If your=20 connected to 3G, then you have a 'sorta' GPS, however = there is=20 still no actuall connection or reception of SAT signals.  For = me flying=20 @ FL240 it's pretty useless in this regard, but I would still = recommend it=20 as a tool for carrying your charts etc. Foreflight and FliteDeck are = very=20 nice.

Google the iPad w/ GPS stuff, there is lots of ppl not = terribly happy=20 that it doesn't infact have a proper = receiver.

Fwiw

Jarrett Johnson

235/320 55%

> = Not true. The higher end models do have gps. I know because my=20
> wife got me the wrong one to start with. I had to take it = back and=20
> pay a few hundred more to get what I needed.....
> =
>=20 On Nov 16, 2010, at 6:24 AM, "Dominic V. Crain"
> <domcrain@tpg.com.au> wrote:=20=
>
> > Yeah =96 I just went to look at an iPad as a = b=92day=20 present (for
> meself) and when quizzed the so-called Apple = expert=20 finally
> acknowledged there is no GPS receiver built in to = the iPad=20 =96 you
> have to be in range of a 3G cell tower. Not a lot = of use in=20 the
> outback>
> > Cheers
> >
> = >=20 Dom Crain
> >
> > VH-CZJ
> >
>=20= > 
> >
> > From: Lancair Mailing List=20 [lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of
> H & J Johnson =
>=20 > Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 1:21 PM
> > To: lml@lancaironline.net
> = >=20 Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit
> >
> = > =20
> >
> > Bob Are you positive that your unit has = a built=20 in GPS? I just
> upgrade my iPad from the standard wi-fi to = the 3G +=20 wi-fi and was
> wanting the unit w/ a GPS but was told that = infact=20 they do-not
> come w/ a GPS. There are 'GPS emulators' that = make it=20 work like a
> GPS but it isn't infact and gps.  I can't = get any=20 'gps' functions
> to work on my w/out the 3G operating. =
> >=20
> > As to external GPS units that integrate w/ blue tooth, = what or=20
> where does one get such a beast?
> >
> = > REALLY=20 liking my iPAD for in-cockpit work. I did an entire trip
> = last night=20 central Canada to Denver and return to Canada w/ two
> stops = and=20 didn't pick up a single chart book or map [I have them
> = still, I=20 just don't use them]. It doesn't get better than that!!
> Esp = when=20 going into somewhere larger like Denver Metro area and
> = getting=20 'yanked' around a bit switching up arrival plates or
> = approach=20 plates is a synch.
> >
> > Couldn't recommend it = enough!=20
> >
> > Btw, to date [only been using a iPad for = ~4=20 weeks] I've not had
> issue w/ heat or altitude and I = generally fly=20 Fl240 or Fl250 w/ a
> cabin alt of 7-8000'
> > =
>=20 > Fwiw
> >
> > Jarrett Johnson
> > =
>=20 > 235/320 55%
> 


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