X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 16:53:13 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([71.74.56.125] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with ESMTP id 4585093 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:18:22 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=71.74.56.125; envelope-from=Wolfgang@MiCom.net X-Original-Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=NFUeGz0loTdi/T6hXKngYYtckjed7x3pKvNOqmBBK18= c=1 sm=0 a=t9garLHpLggA:10 a=MHZY6FYWMEQOp7S43i2QIw==:17 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=G50zkmLvAAAA:8 a=SM0-fxRMq_HSonhrIMEA:9 a=pWtZiyoHtGhzQdi6e-kA:7 a=T8wZi11f1XMxGFeUyUOZdVzg1GEA:4 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=rMLyWPhdKNdveZi7:21 a=sQj7sLrsItLZ91_Q:21 a=uhPMnebkAAAA:8 a=Y5uXiOOmqYpG1z3udHgA:7 a=1EV_-iDF_7sIkEG1eLYH9ygpclYA:4 a=Hs9J3SXIuHcA:10 a=MHZY6FYWMEQOp7S43i2QIw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 74.218.201.50 Received: from [74.218.201.50] ([74.218.201.50:1376] helo=Lobo) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id C2/C1-12606-A1596EC4; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:17:46 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <007401cb87fc$eba99920$6401a8c0@Lobo> From: "Wolfgang" X-Original-To: References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit X-Original-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:17:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0071_01CB87D3.02A8B090" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01CB87D3.02A8B090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, there is GPS with a real satelite signal.=20 AGPS is just waht it says, Assisted GPS, not a replacement for GPS. Here's more information; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS Apple cripples it to make you buy more. Other phones like the HTC Aria do GPS just fine without the extra = payment. Wolfgang ----- Original Message -----=20 From: H & J Johnson=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit John, I thought so too, until I started to talking to the Apple rep at = the store. I've got the second highest level iPad [32Gb w/ 3G] and there = is no GPS [as in 'true' GPS w/ a built in receiver]. What it does have = is what they call A-GPS or "Assisted" GPS through connection to a 3G = tower. If your connected to 3G, then you have a 'sorta' GPS, however = there is still no actuall connection or reception of SAT signals. For = me flying @ FL240 it's pretty useless in this regard, but I would still = recommend it as a tool for carrying your charts etc. Foreflight and = FliteDeck are very nice. Google the iPad w/ GPS stuff, there is lots of ppl not terribly happy = that it doesn't infact have a proper receiver. Fwiw Jarrett Johnson 235/320 55% > Not true. The higher end models do have gps. I know because my=20 > wife got me the wrong one to start with. I had to take it back and=20 > pay a few hundred more to get what I needed.....=20 >=20 > On Nov 16, 2010, at 6:24 AM, "Dominic V. Crain"=20 > wrote:=20 >=20 > > Yeah =96 I just went to look at an iPad as a b=92day present (for=20 > meself) and when quizzed the so-called Apple expert finally=20 > acknowledged there is no GPS receiver built in to the iPad =96 you=20 > have to be in range of a 3G cell tower. Not a lot of use in the=20 > outback>=20 > > Cheers=20 > >=20 > > Dom Crain=20 > >=20 > > VH-CZJ=20 > >=20 > > =20 > >=20 > > From: Lancair Mailing List [lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20 > H & J Johnson=20 > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 1:21 PM=20 > > To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 > > Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit=20 > >=20 > > =20 > >=20 > > Bob Are you positive that your unit has a built in GPS? I just=20 > upgrade my iPad from the standard wi-fi to the 3G + wi-fi and was=20 > wanting the unit w/ a GPS but was told that infact they do-not=20 > come w/ a GPS. There are 'GPS emulators' that make it work like a=20 > GPS but it isn't infact and gps. I can't get any 'gps' functions=20 > to work on my w/out the 3G operating.=20 > >=20 > > As to external GPS units that integrate w/ blue tooth, what or=20 > where does one get such a beast?=20 > >=20 > > REALLY liking my iPAD for in-cockpit work. I did an entire trip=20 > last night central Canada to Denver and return to Canada w/ two=20 > stops and didn't pick up a single chart book or map [I have them=20 > still, I just don't use them]. It doesn't get better than that!!=20 > Esp when going into somewhere larger like Denver Metro area and=20 > getting 'yanked' around a bit switching up arrival plates or=20 > approach plates is a synch.=20 > >=20 > > Couldn't recommend it enough!=20 > >=20 > > Btw, to date [only been using a iPad for ~4 weeks] I've not had=20 > issue w/ heat or altitude and I generally fly Fl240 or Fl250 w/ a=20 > cabin alt of 7-8000'=20 > >=20 > > Fwiw=20 > >=20 > > Jarrett Johnson=20 > >=20 > > 235/320 55%=20 >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01CB87D3.02A8B090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, there is GPS with a real satelite = signal.=20
AGPS is just waht it says, Assisted = GPS, not a=20 replacement for GPS.
Here's more information; http://en.wikipedia.or= g/wiki/Assisted_GPS
 
Apple cripples it to make you buy=20 more.
 
Other phones like the HTC Aria do GPS = just fine=20 without the extra payment.
 
Wolfgang
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 H & J=20 Johnson
Sent: Thursday, November 18, = 2010 7:52=20 PM
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad in = the=20 cockpit

John, I thought so too, until I started to talking to the Apple rep = at the=20 store. I've got the second highest level iPad [32Gb w/ 3G] and there = is no GPS=20 [as in 'true' GPS w/ a built in receiver]. What it does have is what = they call=20 A-GPS or "Assisted" GPS through connection to a 3G tower. If your = connected=20 to 3G, then you have a 'sorta' GPS, however there is still = no=20 actuall connection or reception of SAT signals.  For me flying @ = FL240=20 it's pretty useless in this regard, but I would still recommend it as = a tool=20 for carrying your charts etc. Foreflight and FliteDeck are very = nice.

Google the iPad w/ GPS stuff, there is lots of ppl not terribly = happy that=20 it doesn't infact have a proper receiver.

Fwiw

Jarrett Johnson

235/320 55%

> Not true. The higher end models do have gps. I know because my =
> wife got me the wrong one to start with. I had to take it = back and=20
> pay a few hundred more to get what I needed.....
> =
> On=20 Nov 16, 2010, at 6:24 AM, "Dominic V. Crain"
>=20 <domcrain@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Yeah =96 I = just went=20 to look at an iPad as a b=92day present (for
> meself) and when = quizzed=20 the so-called Apple expert finally
> acknowledged there is no = GPS=20 receiver built in to the iPad =96 you
> have to be in range of = a 3G cell=20 tower. Not a lot of use in the
> outback>
> > = Cheers=20
> >
> > Dom Crain
> >
> > = VH-CZJ=20
> >
> > 
> >
> > From: = Lancair=20 Mailing List [lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of
> H & J = Johnson=20
> > Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 1:21 PM
> > = To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
> > Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the = cockpit=20
> >
> > 
> >
> > Bob Are = you=20 positive that your unit has a built in GPS? I just
> upgrade my = iPad=20 from the standard wi-fi to the 3G + wi-fi and was
> wanting the = unit w/=20 a GPS but was told that infact they do-not
> come w/ a GPS. = There are=20 'GPS emulators' that make it work like a
> GPS but it isn't = infact and=20 gps.  I can't get any 'gps' functions
> to work on my = w/out the 3G=20 operating.
> >
> > As to external GPS units that = integrate=20 w/ blue tooth, what or
> where does one get such a beast? =
> >=20
> > REALLY liking my iPAD for in-cockpit work. I did an = entire trip=20
> last night central Canada to Denver and return to Canada w/ = two=20
> stops and didn't pick up a single chart book or map [I have = them=20
> still, I just don't use them]. It doesn't get better than = that!!=20
> Esp when going into somewhere larger like Denver Metro area = and=20
> getting 'yanked' around a bit switching up arrival plates or =
>=20 approach plates is a synch.
> >
> > Couldn't = recommend it=20 enough!
> >
> > Btw, to date [only been using a = iPad for=20 ~4 weeks] I've not had
> issue w/ heat or altitude and I = generally fly=20 Fl240 or Fl250 w/ a
> cabin alt of 7-8000'
> > =
> >=20 Fwiw
> >
> > Jarrett Johnson
> > =
> >=20 235/320 55%
>

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