X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 16:53:13 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.40] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with ESMTP id 4585084 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:19:17 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.206.40; envelope-from=YoSamuel@aol.com Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id oAJFIVw3028135 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:18:31 -0500 Received: from YoSamuel@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id q.f8d.34e3e72 (37180) for ; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:18:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from magic-m27.mail.aol.com (magic-m27.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.200]) by cia-ma05.mx.aol.com (v129.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA053-913c4ce69544f2; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:18:28 -0500 From: YoSamuel@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <35107.76da1dae.3a17ef44@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 10:18:28 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_35107.76da1dae.3a17ef44_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.1 sub 5012 X-AOL-IP: 76.21.67.141 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: YoSamuel@aol.com --part1_35107.76da1dae.3a17ef44_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en John Hafen. =20 What software do you use for your IFR and VFR charts? =20 Thanks. =20 Dave. =20 =20 =20 =20 In a message dated 11/19/2010 5:03:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, =20 j.hafen@comcast.net writes: My iPad provides moving map display on top of VFR or IFR charts as I fly,= =20 as well as groundspeed, GPS Altitude, and Track. At 22,000 feet, well aw= ay=20 from cell towers. =20 What you can't get airborne is weather information. =20 John Hafen On Nov 18, 2010, at 4:52 PM, H & J Johnson wrote: John, I thought so too, until I started to talking to the Apple rep at th= e=20 store. I've got the second highest level iPad [32Gb w/ 3G] and there is = no=20 GPS [as in 'true' GPS w/ a built in receiver]. What it does have is what= =20 they call A-GPS or "Assisted" GPS through connection to a 3G tower. If you= r =20 connected to 3G, then you have a 'sorta' GPS, however there is still no= =20 actuall connection or reception of SAT signals. For me flying @ FL240 it= 's=20 pretty useless in this regard, but I would still recommend it as a tool= for=20 carrying your charts etc. Foreflight and FliteDeck are very nice.=20 Google the iPad w/ GPS stuff, there is lots of ppl not terribly happy tha= t=20 it doesn't infact have a proper receiver.=20 Fwiw=20 Jarrett Johnson=20 235/320 55%=20 > Not true. The higher end models do have gps. I know because my =20 > wife got me the wrong one to start with. I had to take it back and =20 > pay a few hundred more to get what I needed.....=20 >=20 > On Nov 16, 2010, at 6:24 AM, "Dominic V. Crain"=20 > <_domcrain@tpg.com.au_ (mailto:domcrain@tpg.com.au) > wrote: =20 >=20 > > Yeah =E2=80=93 I just went to look at an iPad as a b=E2=80=99day pres= ent (for=20 > meself) and when quizzed the so-called Apple expert finally=20 > acknowledged there is no GPS receiver built in to the iPad =E2=80=93 yo= u=20 > have to be in range of a 3G cell tower. Not a lot of use in the=20 > outback>=20 > > Cheers=20 > >=20 > > Dom Crain=20 > >=20 > > VH-CZJ=20 > >=20 > > =20 > >=20 > > From: Lancair Mailing List [lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20 > H & J Johnson=20 > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 1:21 PM=20 > > To: _lml@lancaironline.net_ (mailto:lml@lancaironline.net) =20 > > Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit=20 > >=20 > > =20 > >=20 > > Bob Are you positive that your unit has a built in GPS? I just=20 > upgrade my iPad from the standard wi-fi to the 3G + wi-fi and was=20 > wanting the unit w/ a GPS but was told that infact they do-not=20 > come w/ a GPS. There are 'GPS emulators' that make it work like a=20 > GPS but it isn't infact and gps. I can't get any 'gps' functions=20 > to work on my w/out the 3G operating.=20 > > =20 > > As to external GPS units that integrate w/ blue tooth, what or =20 > where does one get such a beast?=20 > >=20 > > REALLY liking my iPAD for in-cockpit work. I did an entire trip=20 > last night central Canada to Denver and return to Canada w/ two=20 > stops and didn't pick up a single chart book or map [I have them=20 > still, I just don't use them]. It doesn't get better than that!!=20 > Esp when going into somewhere larger like Denver Metro area and=20 > getting 'yanked' around a bit switching up arrival plates or=20 > approach plates is a synch.=20 > >=20 > > Couldn't recommend it enough! =20 > >=20 > > Btw, to date [only been using a iPad for ~4 weeks] I've not had=20 > issue w/ heat or altitude and I generally fly Fl240 or Fl250 w/ a=20 > cabin alt of 7-8000'=20 > >=20 > > Fwiw=20 > >=20 > > Jarrett Johnson=20 > >=20 > > 235/320 55%=20 >=20 -- For archives and unsub=20 _http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html_ (http://mail.lancai= ronline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html)=20 =3D --part1_35107.76da1dae.3a17ef44_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en <= FONT id=3Drole_document color=3D#000000 size=3D2 face=3DArial>
John Hafen.
 
What software do you use for your IFR and VFR charts?
 
Thanks.
 
Dave.
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/19/2010 5:03:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,=20 j.hafen@comcast.net writes:
My iPad=20 provides moving map display on top of VFR or IFR charts as I fly, as wel= l as=20 groundspeed, GPS Altitude, and Track.  At 22,000 feet, well away fr= om=20 cell towers.=20

What you can't get airborne is weather information.  

John Hafen


On Nov 18, 2010, at 4:52 PM, H & J Johnson wrote:




John, I thought so too, until I started to talking to the Apple rep= at=20 the store. I've got the second highest level iPad [32Gb w/ 3G] and the= re is=20 no GPS [as in 'true' GPS w/ a built in receiver]. What it does have is= what=20 they call A-GPS or "Assisted" GPS through connection to a 3G tower. If= your=20 connected to 3G, then you have a 'sorta' GPS, however there= is=20 still no actuall connection or reception of SAT signals.  For me= flying=20 @ FL240 it's pretty useless in this regard, but I would still recommen= d it=20 as a tool for carrying your charts etc. Foreflight and FliteDeck are= very=20 nice.

Google the iPad w/ GPS stuff, there is lots of ppl not terribly hap= py=20 that it doesn't infact have a proper receiver.

Fwiw

Jarrett Johnson

235/320 55%

> Not true. The higher end models do have gps. I know because my= =20
> wife got me the wrong one to start with. I had to take it bac= k and=20
> pay a few hundred more to get what I needed.....
> >=20 On Nov 16, 2010, at 6:24 AM, "Dominic V. Crain"
> <domcrain@tpg.com.au> wrote:=20
>
> > Yeah =E2=80=93 I just went to look at an iPad= as a b=E2=80=99day=20 present (for
> meself) and when quizzed the so-called Apple exp= ert=20 finally
> acknowledged there is no GPS receiver built in to the= iPad=20 =E2=80=93 you
> have to be in range of a 3G cell tower. Not a= lot of use in=20 the
> outback>
> > Cheers
> >
>= >=20 Dom Crain
> >
> > VH-CZJ
> >
>=20 > 
> >
> > From: Lancair Mailing List=20 [lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of
> H & J Johnson
&g= t;=20 > Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 1:21 PM
> > To: lml@lancaironline.net
> >=20 Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit
> >
> >&nbs= p;=20
> >
> > Bob Are you positive that your unit has a= built=20 in GPS? I just
> upgrade my iPad from the standard wi-fi to the= 3G +=20 wi-fi and was
> wanting the unit w/ a GPS but was told that inf= act=20 they do-not
> come w/ a GPS. There are 'GPS emulators' that mak= e it=20 work like a
> GPS but it isn't infact and gps.  I can't ge= t any=20 'gps' functions
> to work on my w/out the 3G operating.
>= ; >=20
> > As to external GPS units that integrate w/ blue tooth,= what or=20
> where does one get such a beast?
> >
> >= REALLY=20 liking my iPAD for in-cockpit work. I did an entire trip
> last= night=20 central Canada to Denver and return to Canada w/ two
> stops an= d=20 didn't pick up a single chart book or map [I have them
> still,= I=20 just don't use them]. It doesn't get better than that!!
> Esp= when=20 going into somewhere larger like Denver Metro area and
> gettin= g=20 'yanked' around a bit switching up arrival plates or
> approach= =20 plates is a synch.
> >
> > Couldn't recommend it= enough!=20
> >
> > Btw, to date [only been using a iPad for= ~4=20 weeks] I've not had
> issue w/ heat or altitude and I generally= fly=20 Fl240 or Fl250 w/ a
> cabin alt of 7-8000'
> >
&g= t;=20 > Fwiw
> >
> > Jarrett Johnson
> > >=20 > 235/320 55%
> 


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