X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 08:02:45 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.27.243] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with ESMTP id 4584606 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 01:49:07 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.27.243; envelope-from=j.hafen@comcast.net Received: from omta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YunQ1f0030mlR8UADuoYlW; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 06:48:32 +0000 Received: from [10.0.1.5] ([24.17.111.171]) by omta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id YuoW1f00B3hvfg88XuoXK9; Fri, 19 Nov 2010 06:48:32 +0000 From: John Hafen Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-30-456981991 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit X-Original-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:48:30 -0800 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) --Apple-Mail-30-456981991 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 My iPad provides moving map display on top of VFR or IFR charts as I = fly, as well as groundspeed, GPS Altitude, and Track. At 22,000 feet, = well away from cell towers. What you can't get airborne is weather information. =20 John Hafen On Nov 18, 2010, at 4:52 PM, H & J Johnson wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > John, I thought so too, until I started to talking to the Apple rep at = the store. I've got the second highest level iPad [32Gb w/ 3G] and there = is no GPS [as in 'true' GPS w/ a built in receiver]. What it does have = is what they call A-GPS or "Assisted" GPS through connection to a 3G = tower. If your connected to 3G, then you have a 'sorta' GPS, however = there is still no actuall connection or reception of SAT signals. For = me flying @ FL240 it's pretty useless in this regard, but I would still = recommend it as a tool for carrying your charts etc. Foreflight and = FliteDeck are very nice. >=20 > Google the iPad w/ GPS stuff, there is lots of ppl not terribly happy = that it doesn't infact have a proper receiver. >=20 > Fwiw >=20 > Jarrett Johnson >=20 > 235/320 55% >=20 > > Not true. The higher end models do have gps. I know because my=20 > > wife got me the wrong one to start with. I had to take it back and=20= > > pay a few hundred more to get what I needed.....=20 > >=20 > > On Nov 16, 2010, at 6:24 AM, "Dominic V. Crain"=20 > > wrote:=20 > >=20 > > > Yeah =96 I just went to look at an iPad as a b=92day present (for=20= > > meself) and when quizzed the so-called Apple expert finally=20 > > acknowledged there is no GPS receiver built in to the iPad =96 you=20= > > have to be in range of a 3G cell tower. Not a lot of use in the=20 > > outback>=20 > > > Cheers=20 > > >=20 > > > Dom Crain=20 > > >=20 > > > VH-CZJ=20 > > >=20 > > > =20 > > >=20 > > > From: Lancair Mailing List [lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20 > > H & J Johnson=20 > > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 1:21 PM=20 > > > To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 > > > Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit=20 > > >=20 > > > =20 > > >=20 > > > Bob Are you positive that your unit has a built in GPS? I just=20 > > upgrade my iPad from the standard wi-fi to the 3G + wi-fi and was=20 > > wanting the unit w/ a GPS but was told that infact they do-not=20 > > come w/ a GPS. There are 'GPS emulators' that make it work like a=20 > > GPS but it isn't infact and gps. I can't get any 'gps' functions=20 > > to work on my w/out the 3G operating.=20 > > >=20 > > > As to external GPS units that integrate w/ blue tooth, what or=20 > > where does one get such a beast?=20 > > >=20 > > > REALLY liking my iPAD for in-cockpit work. I did an entire trip=20 > > last night central Canada to Denver and return to Canada w/ two=20 > > stops and didn't pick up a single chart book or map [I have them=20 > > still, I just don't use them]. It doesn't get better than that!!=20 > > Esp when going into somewhere larger like Denver Metro area and=20 > > getting 'yanked' around a bit switching up arrival plates or=20 > > approach plates is a synch.=20 > > >=20 > > > Couldn't recommend it enough!=20 > > >=20 > > > Btw, to date [only been using a iPad for ~4 weeks] I've not had=20 > > issue w/ heat or altitude and I generally fly Fl240 or Fl250 w/ a=20 > > cabin alt of 7-8000'=20 > > >=20 > > > Fwiw=20 > > >=20 > > > Jarrett Johnson=20 > > >=20 > > > 235/320 55%=20 > > >=20 >=20 > -- > For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html --Apple-Mail-30-456981991 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 My = iPad provides moving map display on top of VFR or IFR charts as I fly, = as well as groundspeed, GPS Altitude, and Track.  At 22,000 feet, = well away from cell towers.

What you can't get = airborne is weather information.  

John = Hafen


On Nov 18, 2010, at 4:52 = PM, H & J Johnson wrote:




John, I thought so too, = until I started to talking to the Apple rep at the store. I've got the = second highest level iPad [32Gb w/ 3G] and there is no GPS [as in 'true' = GPS w/ a built in receiver]. What it does have is what they call A-GPS = or "Assisted" GPS through connection to a 3G tower. If your connected = to 3G, then you have a 'sorta' GPS, however there is still no = actuall connection or reception of SAT signals.  For me flying @ = FL240 it's pretty useless in this regard, but I would still recommend it = as a tool for carrying your charts etc. Foreflight and FliteDeck are = very nice.

Google the iPad w/ GPS stuff, there is lots of ppl not = terribly happy that it doesn't infact have a proper = receiver.

Fwiw

Jarrett Johnson

235/320 55%

> = Not true. The higher end models do have gps. I know because my
> = wife got me the wrong one to start with. I had to take it back and =
> pay a few hundred more to get what I needed.....
> =
> On Nov 16, 2010, at 6:24 AM, "Dominic V. Crain"
> <domcrain@tpg.com.au> wrote: =
>
> > Yeah =96 I just went to look at an iPad as a = b=92day present (for
> meself) and when quizzed the so-called = Apple expert finally
> acknowledged there is no GPS receiver = built in to the iPad =96 you
> have to be in range of a 3G cell = tower. Not a lot of use in the
> outback>
> > Cheers =
> >
> > Dom Crain
> >
> > VH-CZJ =
> >
> > 
> >
> > From: = Lancair Mailing List [lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of
> H = & J Johnson
> > Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 1:21 PM =
> > To: lml@lancaironline.net
> > Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit
> >
> = > 
> >
> > Bob Are you positive that your = unit has a built in GPS? I just
> upgrade my iPad from the = standard wi-fi to the 3G + wi-fi and was
> wanting the unit w/ a = GPS but was told that infact they do-not
> come w/ a GPS. There = are 'GPS emulators' that make it work like a
> GPS but it isn't = infact and gps.  I can't get any 'gps' functions
> to work = on my w/out the 3G operating.
> >
> > As to external = GPS units that integrate w/ blue tooth, what or
> where does one = get such a beast?
> >
> > REALLY liking my iPAD for = in-cockpit work. I did an entire trip
> last night central Canada = to Denver and return to Canada w/ two
> stops and didn't pick up = a single chart book or map [I have them
> still, I just don't use = them]. It doesn't get better than that!!
> Esp when going into somewhere larger like Denver Metro area and =
> getting 'yanked' around a bit switching up arrival plates or =
> approach plates is a synch.
> >
> > = Couldn't recommend it enough!
> >
> > Btw, to date = [only been using a iPad for ~4 weeks] I've not had
> issue w/ = heat or altitude and I generally fly Fl240 or Fl250 w/ a
> cabin = alt of 7-8000'
> >
> > Fwiw
> >
> = > Jarrett Johnson
> >
> > 235/320 55%
> = 


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