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From: Matt losangeles <mattinlosangeles@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [LML] flying to Isla Guadalupe, Mexico
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Hi Jeff,=0A=0AIt has been a while since I flew to Mexico (5 years?)=A0but I=
 am fairly sure =0Athings are the same. At least going there. Coming back i=
t is more difficult. =0ABasically when flying into Mexico, you need to file=
 a flight plan with FSS.=A0I =0Athink they needed an hours warning of your =
crossing. Obviously you need to open =0Athe flight plan. I think you call t=
he flight plan a DVFR flight plan. Just be =0Asure you file it with a FSS a=
long the border and they will know what to do. =0AOnce=A0you cross, you nee=
d your first stop to be an airport of entry. I don't =0Arecall Isla Guadalu=
pe being one but I could be wrong. They are not necessarily =0Aon the borde=
r. Cabo San Lucas is one.=A0You pay them assorted fees and you file a =0Afl=
ight plan to your destination. If you destination is NOT a towered airport,=
 =0Ayou can just keep flying from one of these to the other until you get t=
o another =0Atowered airport. At that point you have to file another flight=
 plan and pay some =0Amore fees. I think the most expensive fee was the vis=
a. The other stuff didn't =0Acost enough to matter. 10 or 20 bucks for the =
other stuff as I recall. I don't =0Arecall what the visa fee was it was a p=
er person fee for the year. Another =0Aspecial thing to remember is Mexico =
city. Small planes can't go to the main =0Aairport so don't go there. They =
have two others nearby to service our types.=0A=0AWhen you leave Mexico, yo=
u are supposed to stop at an airport of entry. I have =0Aalways done this b=
ut I have heard that others don't and they head on to the US =0Awithout eve=
r having a problem.=A0Since it seems all these airports are still =0Apushin=
g paper around instead of bits, I doubt if anyone would know. You are =0Asu=
pposed to close your flight plan upon leaving. I think you pay some small f=
ee =0Aas well.=0A=0AComing back has changed. In the past you needed to noti=
fy customs of your =0Aarrival and you need to be VERY certain you don't arr=
ive early. If you show up =0Aearly and there is no customs agent to greet y=
ou, well, that can be bad. Even if =0Ayou have to orbit for 20 minutes sout=
h of the border until your are sure you =0Awill not arrive early, you shoul=
d do it. Also, notifying customs can be =0Adifficult. Be sure you have a nu=
mber to call them. Do NOT rely on Mexico air =0Atraffic control to relay th=
e message. They probably will do it but if they =0Adon't, it is your ass. A=
lso do not rely on FSS to relay the message. Remember, =0Athey are probably=
 sending an agent from down the street to meet you at the =0Aairport. They =
only have so many agents and they can't afford to have one sitting =0Aaroun=
d in an airport all day if if nobody is crossing. They will put them to =0A=
work getting cars across the border down the street. Also, make sure all nu=
mbers =0Afor customs, FSS etc are=A0NOT 800 numbers. You usually can't call=
 an 800 number =0Afrom outside the US and trying to get the correct number =
once you are down there =0Ais not so easy. I found this one out the hard wa=
y.=0A=0AMatt=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jeff Peter=
son <jeffreyb.peterson@gmail.com>=0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net=0ASent: Tue, =
November 16, 2010 4:11:08 PM=0ASubject: [LML] flying to Isla Guadalupe, Mex=
ico=0A=0ALML,=0A=0AI hope someone her can give me a lead on flying to Isla =
Guadalupe =0Aoff the West Coast of Mexico.=0A=0AAnyone done that?=0A=0AWoul=
d you depart Ensenda, or north of the border?=0A=0AAnyone know of a twin ow=
ner in that neighborhood that would=0Abe interested in renting/sharing cost=
s?=0A=0A-- =0AJeff Peterson=0A=0A=0A      
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ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;=
font-size:12pt"><DIV>Hi Jeff,</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>It has been =
a while since I flew to Mexico (5 years?)&nbsp;but I am fairly sure things =
are the same. At least going there. Coming back it is more difficult. Basic=
ally when flying into Mexico, you need to file a flight plan with FSS.&nbsp=
;I think they needed an hours warning of your crossing. Obviously you need =
to open the flight plan. I think you call the flight plan a DVFR flight pla=
n. Just be sure you file it with a FSS along the border and they will know =
what to do. Once&nbsp;you cross, you need your first stop to be an airport =
of entry. I don't recall Isla Guadalupe being one but I could be wrong. The=
y are not necessarily on the border. Cabo San Lucas is one.&nbsp;You pay th=
em assorted fees and you file a flight plan to your destination. If you des=
tination is NOT a towered airport, you can just keep flying from one of the=
se to the other until you get to another towered airport. At that point you=
 have to file another flight plan and pay some more
 fees. I think the most expensive fee was the visa. The other stuff didn't =
cost enough to matter. 10 or 20 bucks for the other stuff as I recall. I do=
n't recall what the visa fee was it was a per person fee for the year. Anot=
her special thing to remember is Mexico city. Small planes can't go to the =
main airport so don't go there. They have two others nearby to service our =
types.</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>When you leave Mexico, you are supp=
osed to stop at an airport of entry. I have always done this but I have hea=
rd that others don't and they head on to the US without ever having a probl=
em.&nbsp;Since it seems all these airports are still pushing paper around i=
nstead of bits, I doubt if anyone would know. You are supposed to close you=
r flight plan upon leaving. I think you pay some small fee as well.</DIV>=
=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>Coming back has changed. In the past you needed=
 to notify customs of your arrival and you need to be VERY certain you don'=
t arrive early. If you show up early and there is no customs agent to greet=
 you, well, that can be bad. Even if you have to orbit for 20 minutes south=
 of the border until your are sure you will not arrive early, you should do=
 it. Also, notifying customs can be difficult. Be sure you have a number to=
 call them. Do NOT rely on Mexico air traffic control to relay the message.=
 They probably will do it but if they don't, it is your ass. Also do not re=
ly on FSS to relay the message. Remember, they are probably sending an agen=
t from down the street to meet you at the airport. They only have so many a=
gents and they can't afford to have one sitting around in an airport all da=
y if if nobody is crossing. They will put them to work getting cars across =
the border down the street. Also, make sure all numbers for customs, FSS et=
c are&nbsp;NOT
 800 numbers. You usually can't call an 800 number from outside the US and =
trying to get the correct number once you are down there is not so easy. I =
found this one out the hard way.</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>Matt</DIV=
>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FON=
T-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, =
times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DTahoma>=0A<HR SIZE=3D1=
>=0A<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Jeff Peterson &lt=
;jeffreyb.peterson@gmail.com&gt;<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To=
:</SPAN></B> lml@lancaironline.net<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">=
Sent:</SPAN></B> Tue, November 16, 2010 4:11:08 PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FON=
T-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [LML] flying to Isla Guadalupe, Mexico<=
BR></FONT><BR>LML,<BR><BR>I hope someone her can give me a lead on flying t=
o Isla Guadalupe <BR>off the West Coast of Mexico.<BR><BR>Anyone done that?=
<BR><BR>Would you depart Ensenda, or north of the border?<BR><BR>Anyone kno=
w of a twin owner in that neighborhood that would<BR>be interested in renti=
ng/sharing costs?<BR clear=3Dall><BR>-- <BR>Jeff Peterson<BR><BR></DIV></DI=
V></div><br>=0A=0A      </body></html>
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