X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 20:47:30 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.63] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.9) with ESMTP id 4492466 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:17:58 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.63; envelope-from=douglasbrunner@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Pi42L2KmIqhlJzYC3VO3/WJGG9EUs9AWnmreWHrk1DMgu5ZFHZb8Vm20e3q03jDQ; h=Received:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [74.93.196.177] (helo=DougsLaptop) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1P2nj8-000333-4q for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 04 Oct 2010 12:17:22 -0400 From: "Douglas Brunner" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Tree Landings X-Original-Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:17:16 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <005001cb63df$9c9cf520$d5d6df60$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01CB63BE.158B5520" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: ActjvKtagIprWtL5SGmkFUhBUHp9RQAIj9jA Content-Language: en-us X-ELNK-Trace: ad85a799c4f5de37c2eb1477c196d22294f5150ab1c16ac0f2b12df0f75675a437c9746e4cb573ca16a13b66f010f88d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 74.93.196.177 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CB63BE.158B5520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael, What about the speed differences between a Lancair and a glider? Does that change the calculation? We are all taught to look for an open field to land on. Considering the altitude at which the decision is made and in the time we have to make the decision, we probably can't tell too much about stumps and rocks when we pick a field. Should our decision making process change? From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Michael Newman Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 8:07 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Tree Landings It may be counter intuitive but treetops are actually 'soft'. They bend and absorb energy over a fairly long period compared to other ground obstructions. I would favor landing in dense trees over a field full of stumps and rocks. It is well known in the glider community that tree-top landings result in pilots that walk away and surprisingly light aircraft damage as long as the plane maintains flying speed all the way in. I have personally picked up after two of these and know of four others. In only one case was there any injury to the pilot and that was minor. Dense trees are preferred because falling to the ground after the 'landing' is where the people can get injured. _____ Michael Newman Dragonnorth Group 401 Sandy Valley Road Westwood, MA 02090 Cell: 617 821-4608 Home: 617 566-7975 Fax: 617 566-7975 www.dragonnorth.com mnewman@dragonnorth.com ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CB63BE.158B5520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Michael,

What about the speed = differences between a Lancair and a glider? Does that change the = calculation?

We are all taught to = look for an open field to land on. Considering the altitude at which the = decision is made and in the time we have to make the decision, we probably = can’t tell too much about stumps and rocks when we pick a = field.

Should our decision = making process change?

From:= Lancair = Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Michael = Newman
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 8:07 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Tree Landings

It may be counter intuitive but treetops are = actually ‘soft’. They bend and absorb energy over a fairly long = period compared to other ground obstructions. I would favor landing in dense = trees over a field full of stumps and rocks.

It is well known in the glider community that = tree-top landings result in pilots that walk away and surprisingly light aircraft = damage as long as the plane maintains flying speed all the way in. I = have personally picked up after two of these and know of four others. In only = one case was there any injury to the pilot and that was minor. Dense trees = are preferred because falling to the ground after the ‘landing’ = is where the people can get injured.

Michael Newman	Dragonnorth Group
401 = Sandy Valley Road Westwood, MA 02090	Cell: 617 821-4608 Home: 617 566-7975 Fax: 617 566-7975
www.dragonnorth.com	mnewman@dragonnorth.com<= /o:p>

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