X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2010 12:59:45 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-pz0-f52.google.com ([209.85.210.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.9) with ESMTP id 4489565 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 16:29:53 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.210.52; envelope-from=carbonflier@gmail.com Received: by pzk28 with SMTP id 28so2514435pzk.25 for ; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 13:29:19 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Mnn1EgJx7uL1wJ2m6o7jRfHIbH3gnNHE22ly9i0l1fXjB4HZd67ZnD/QgTMm24vd08 xkczY6bbjMd8YL6g5ClJV+SvX2l2bhLj7Fh8wGZgElRIV84iGWzcNmx9aQ4lTdv4+/HP 9IvNUgjEonwLSwAnaW8IHH6FjEsOUiJmGh8Ok= Received: by 10.142.209.10 with SMTP id h10mr5191453wfg.256.1285964958802; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 13:29:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.0.147] (host-98-127-249-212.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net [98.127.249.212]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o9sm1728582wfd.16.2010.10.01.13.29.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 01 Oct 2010 13:29:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Message-ID: <4CA64495.5020900@gmail.com> X-Original-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 14:29:09 -0600 From: David Standish User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: [Fwd: RE: [LML] [Fwd: RE: [LML] Thunder Mustang Crash at Reno]] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My point was that if George had trouble converting 375mph into enough altitude to return to the opposite direction runway how am I going to do it with only 100mph just after takeoff. There was a lot of talk about his choice to go right to 26 but I certainly don't have the credentials or the nerve to second guess him. I was very glad to see him get up out of the airplane but a little shocked that the EMR crew let him. David -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [LML] [Fwd: RE: [LML] Thunder Mustang Crash at Reno] Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 18:45:33 -0400 From: farnsworth To: lml@lancaironline.net David, I do not think that you can compare this incident to an engine failure after take off and subsequence attempt to return to the departure runway. George (Thunder Mustang pilot) was doing about 375 MPH when he blew the engine(two holes in the engine case). He pulled up, in a left turn, to convert airspeed to altitude; so far so good. The standard drill for an emergency during a race at Reno is to pull up and turn left (circle the airport) so as to position yourself to land on one of the 6 runways, or perhaps a taxiway. The wind was a major factor. On the surface it 25 with gusts to over 40, from the South, with variations as much as 30 degrees. There was a great deal of turbulence on the race course itself. At the top of the climb George decided to turn right instead of continuing left. Had he not turned right, runway 14 would have been his for the taking(long and wide). With the right turn his only option was 26. Even after he got the plane turned south the high winds were pushing him and the plane north away from the runway. He made it to the runway, but was not aligned with it; and thus departed in a Southwesterly direction and the plane was destroyed. Without the winds there would have been no accident. I was one of the six pilots in that race. Oh, there were two Thunder Mustangs in the race. The other one ground looped on landing (runway 18) after the race. The plane was not damaged. Lynn Farnsworth Super Legacy TSIO-550 Powered Race #44 -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of David Standish Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 07:40 To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] [Fwd: RE: [LML] Thunder Mustang Crash at Reno] He never claimed weather was a factor but there was a significant adverse wind. Gusting from the west. This was minutes before they decided not to run the unlimited race final due to wind and turbulence. The failure occurred while he was headed easterly near the home pylon. He attempted make a right turn back to 26. He was still not aligned with the runway when he ran out of altitude and caught the wing tip. Makes you think twice about trying to return to your departure runway after an engine failure on take off. David -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [LML] Thunder Mustang Crash at Reno Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 10:32:52 -0400 From: Bill Bradburry To: lml@lancaironline.net He never explained how he converted 2K feet of altitude into a cartwheel?? Personally I prefer landing on the wheels and not the wing tips. :>) Bill B ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] *On Behalf Of *Steve Colwell *Sent:* Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:46 AM *To:* lml@lancaironline.net *Subject:* [LML] Thunder Mustang Crash at Reno There was an seminar at Sun and Fun years ago where they talked about how to best crash an airplane without a suitable place to land...and this guy did it...a cartwheel. The energy is dissipated more slowly and the G Forces are minimized. They looked at a number of crashes and found that in those that cartwheeled, the pilot walked away. Your comments? Steve Colwell Legacy http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-092110-pilot-survives,0,646191.story?track=r ss -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html