X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 19:33:04 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from blu0-omc3-s29.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.104] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.8) with ESMTP id 4424206 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 09 Aug 2010 15:58:15 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.116.104; envelope-from=cgainza@msn.com Received: from BLU139-W25 ([65.55.116.74]) by blu0-omc3-s29.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 9 Aug 2010 12:57:38 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: cgainza@msn.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_034bd769-f184-45f8-90f8-b3c7bae3f6d4_" X-Originating-IP: [166.129.243.71] From: Craig Gainza X-Original-To: list lancair Subject: RE: [LML] My Take on Oshkosh and Sun-nFun "2010" X-Original-Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 12:57:37 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2010 19:57:38.0166 (UTC) FILETIME=[1E1CF960:01CB37FD] --_034bd769-f184-45f8-90f8-b3c7bae3f6d4_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable George=2C I could not agree with you more regarding the Lancair IV-P. I would also i= nclude the ES line. There are no competitors at the IV-P or ES price point= . I would consider improving the both kits and requiring an AOA on the IV-P= . =20 The Fadec Continental flight testing is done for the IV-P. No need to del= ay state of the art electronics on Lancair aircraft. =20 Don't get me wrong=2C I think the Evolution is a great airplane but at grea= ter than a million=2C you are competing with certified aircraft capable of = commercial operations that do not have to be built. Craig Gainza 680 hrs Lancair Fadec IV-P To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon=2C 9 Aug 2010 15:04:51 -0400 From: rosel_george@yahoo.com Subject: [LML] My Take on Oshkosh and Sun-nFun "2010" Hello to all the Lancair gang.... I have a=20 couple of comments to make about this years "little" (Ha!) get together=20 at Oshkosh. What a great event and wonderful turnout considering the=20 soggy conditions earlier in the week. I was there all week and observed=20 the following.... #1. I watched the entire episode of the Jack=20 Rousch "Beechcraft=20 Premier Jet" accident. He is very lucky to be alive and in fact very=20 lucky he didn't crash into the crowd. I first noticed him much too tight in the pattern while on left down wind for runway 18R. At one point=20 while turning from base and overshooting the runway he was headed=20 directly at me and the crowd ... much too low and slow and out of=20 control! This was one of the poorest examples of piloting and judgment=20 that I have ever seen. I was shocked to later hear the name of the pilot/owner and the facts about his prior accidents=2C etc.=20 This is a classic example of why we as Lancair owners need to=20 continually stay vigilant and focused within our own group through=20 communication and training. Like they say in the New York subway system=20 ... "If you see something.... Say something" . Just because we build=20 these things or have tons of experience=2C doesn't mean that we should=20 necessarily be flying them. We shouldn't sit back and let these kind of=20 accidents happen=2C especially within our own group. If someone isn't=20 qualified ... encourage them to get more education and training or fly=20 something more docile. Jeff Edwards and the LOBO group have done a=20 wonderful job at promoting and making available the tools needed to=20 safely fly these wonderful aircraft. They have brought on board more=20 insurance options and our accident rate has dramatically decreased in=20 the last 12 months. Hopefully the insurance companies will also help police the incompetent Lancair pilots and not sell them insurance just to make a=20 buck. These responsibilities fall on all of us as owners and insurers=20 of Lancairs ! Join LOBO and stay plugged in to the LML !!! On=20 another topic ..... #2. Prior to attending Oshkosh "2010"=2C I=20 also attended Sun-n-Fun in April at Lakeland Florida with my 4P-Propjet. O= n=20 both occasions I observed a disturbing disassociation from Lancair=20 International with its "4-P" line of aircraft. In fact=2C at both of their displays a person would have to look twice even to see the Lancair=20 flags/logo over the "Evolution" promotion and advertisement. It appears=20 to me that the sales force of Lancair has forgotten what brought them to the dance! With over six hundred 4-P's in the world you would think=20 that the 4's would be their flagship and showcased extensively ! It's no wonder the 4-P sales are down. Don't get me wrong... the Evolution is a great plane but is in a different class as a 1.2 million dollar finished turbine aircraft. If=20 you agree with me I urge you to lobby the "powers to be " at Lancair to=20 get the 4-P's back in there promotional and advertising schemes. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. Regards=2C ... George PS... Please note that I am the owner and builder=20 of two 4-P Turbines and one is for sale. You can see it at www.lancairle= asing.com =20 =20 George F. Rosel=20 2431 Lilac Dr. =20 Liberal=2C Ks. 67901 620-624-8849 office =20 620-624-9409 fax=20 620-655-8217 cell ..=20 or...... 8907=20 Green Meadows Dr. Littleton=2C Co. 80126 303-975-6629 home/fax The Lodge at Timberline...FOR RENT !! "Ski-in/Ski-out" Luxury home at Copper Mountain Colorado For info... http://www.vrbo.com/254739 George F. Rosel=20 2431 Lilac Dr. =20 Liberal=2C Ks. 67901 620-624-8849 office =20 620-624-9409 fax=20 620-655-8217 cell .. or...... 8907 Green Meadows Dr. Littleton=2C Co. 80126 303-975-6629 home/fax The Lodge at Timberline...FOR RENT !! "Ski-in/Ski-out" Luxury home at Copper Mountain Colorado For info... http://www.vrbo.com/254739 = --_034bd769-f184-45f8-90f8-b3c7bae3f6d4_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable George=2C

I could not agree with you more regarding the Lancair IV-P= . =3B I would also include the ES line. =3B There are no com= petitors at the IV-P or ES price point. I would consider improving the both= kits and requiring an AOA on the IV-P. =3B

The =3B Fadec C= ontinental flight testing is done for the IV-P. =3B No need to delay st= ate of the art electronics on Lancair aircraft. =3B

Don't get m= e wrong=2C I think the Evolution is a great airplane but at greater than a = million=2C you are competing with certified aircraft capable of commercial = operations that do not have to be built.

Craig Gainza
680 hrs Lan= cair Fadec IV-P



To: lml@lancaironlin= e.net
Date: Mon=2C 9 Aug 2010 15:04:51 -0400
From: rosel_george@yahoo= .com
Subject: [LML] My Take on Oshkosh and Sun-nFun "2010"

Hello to all the Lancair gang....

I have a=20 couple of comments to make about this years "little" (Ha!) get together=20 at Oshkosh. What a great event and wonderful turnout considering the=20 soggy conditions earlier in the week. I was there all week and observed=20 the following....

#1. =3B I watched the entire episode of the Ja= ck=20 Rousch "Beechcraft<= /span>=20 Premier Jet" =3B accident. He is very lucky to be alive and in fact ver= y=20 lucky he didn't crash into the crowd. I first noticed him much too tight in the pattern while on left down wind for runway 18R. =3B At one poin= t=20 while turning from base and overshooting the runway he was headed=20 directly at me and the crowd ... much too low and slow and out of=20 control! This was one of the poorest examples of piloting and judgment=20 that I have ever seen. I was shocked to later hear the name of the pilot/owner and the facts about his prior accidents=2C etc.=20 This is a classic example of why we as Lancair owners need to=20 continually stay vigilant and focused within our own group through=20 communication and training. Like they say in the New York subway system=20 ... "If you see something.... Say something" . Just because we build=20 these things or have tons of experience=2C doesn't mean that we should=20 necessarily be flying them. We shouldn't sit back and let these kind of=20 accidents happen=2C especially within our own group. If someone isn't=20 qualified ... encourage them to get more education and training or fly=20 something more docile. Jeff Edwards and the LOBO group have done a=20 wonderful job at promoting and making available the tools needed to=20 safely fly these wonderful aircraft. They have brought on board more=20 insurance options and our accident rate has dramatically decreased in=20 the last 12 months. Hopefully the insurance companies will also help police the incompetent Lancair pilots and not sell them insurance just to make a=20 buck. These responsibilities fall on all of us as owners and insurers=20 of =3B Lancairs ! Join LOBO and stay plugged in to the LML !!!

O= n=20 another topic .....

#2. =3B Prior to attending Oshkosh "2010"=2C= I=20 also attended Sun-n-Fun in April at Lakeland Florida with my 4P-Propjet. =3B On=20 both occasions I observed a disturbing disassociation from Lancair=20 International with its "4-P" line of aircraft. In fact=2C at both of their displays a person would have to look twice even to see the Lancair=20 flags/logo over the "Evolution" promotion and advertisement. It appears=20 to me that the sales force of Lancair has forgotten what brought them to the dance! With over six hundred 4-P's in the world you would think=20 that the 4's would be their flagship and showcased extensively ! It's no wonder the 4-P sales are down. Don't get me wrong... the Evolution is a great plane but is in a different class as a 1.2 million dollar finished turbine aircraft. If=20 you agree with me I urge you to lobby the "powers to be " at Lancair to=20 get the 4-P's back in there promotional and advertising schemes.

Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.

Regards=2C

... George

PS... Please note that I am the owner and builder=20 of two 4-P Turbines and one is for sale. You can see it at =3B =3B&= nbsp=3B www.lan= cairleasing.com



 =3B  =3B  =3B
 =3B
George F. Rosel
2= 431 Lilac Dr.
Liberal=2C Ks. 67901
620-624-884= 9 office
620-624-9409 fax
6= 20-655-8217 cell ..=20 or......

8907=20 Green Meadows Dr.
Littleton=2C Co. 80126
303-975-662= 9 home/fax


The Lodge at Timberline...FOR RENT !!
"Ski-in/Ski-out" Luxury home at Copper Mountain Colorad= o
For info... http://www= .vrbo.com/254739

 =3B
George F. Rosel
2431 Lilac Dr. =
Liberal=2C Ks. 67901
620-624-8849 office
620-624-9409 fax=
620-655-8217 cell .. or......

8907 Green Meadows Dr.
Li= ttleton=2C Co. 80126
303-975-6629 home/fax


The Lodge a= t Timberline...FOR RENT !!
"Ski-in/Ski-out" Luxury home at Copper Mounta= in Colorado
For info... http://www.vrbo.com/254739


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