X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:53:23 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.63] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.8) with ESMTP id 4390102 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:44:09 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.63; envelope-from=douglasbrunner@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=h+vWI4NVZhWkmZaOMvNkindGhH+gt52xvWK7CWAR+8sRdt25yx0XFoYquUbdQjyc; h=Received:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [74.93.196.177] (helo=DougsLaptop) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1OYOua-0004J9-AJ; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:43:32 -0400 From: "Douglas Brunner" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" X-Original-Cc: "Atkinson, Walter" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Fuel Control problem X-Original-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:43:35 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <005f01cb21fa$846a9830$8d3fc890$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01CB21D8.FD58F830" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcshyA52KHx1og5hQCCM9D9F4Y50rgAMBZWw Content-Language: en-us X-ELNK-Trace: ad85a799c4f5de37c2eb1477c196d22294f5150ab1c16ac04e761f5d55cab8bc6f547cce7d5b3a58ec3759ca3ce68baf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 74.93.196.177 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01CB21D8.FD58F830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve, I always put on low boost above 10,000 for "vapor suppression". On several occasions, I have experienced fluctuating decreases in RPM that I attributed to "vapor in the lines". Putting on the low boost seemed to solve the problem. From what I remember of the Advanced Pilots Course (I took it in Jan of '06), they suggested that the problem occurs with hot fuel at high altitudes - and your story seems to be just that. Suggest you try using low boost over 10,000. On another point - you say you lean to 1300 degrees on climb out. I am surprised by 1300 degrees. (Although I know that EGTs can differ according to installation, and since I have a 10:1 compression engine my EGTs should be lower.) I lean to 1100 in the climb until I reach 70% power at which time I lean to 1200. Since my peak EGTs are around 1325 (when I lean at 70% - probably higher at higher power settings), I figure I am at least 250 ROP when above 70% in the climb. If you lean to 1300 in the climb, what do you think your peak EGTs are? How much ROP are you when you climb? If there are any "lurkers" from APS, what do you think of 1300? From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Steve Colwell Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:41 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Fuel Control problem On climb out to 14,500' yesterday I was having trouble leaning to 1300 degrees. The mixture knob was extra sensitive so I favored the rich side. I had just topped off with 40 gal. from an above ground tank that was probably around 80 to 85 degrees. Low boost was used from takeoff to about 1500' agl., RPM was reduced to 2500 and leaning began. Normally, maintaining 1300 degrees on the hottest cyl. in the climb (per The Advanced Pilot Course) is easy. (On the previous flight to 15,500' for 2.5 hours I noticed it did not lean normally but I was able to go LOP and it held the fuel flow @ 9.8 gph. No fuel had been added and temp on the ground was about 70 degrees.) When we reached 14,500', we accelerated in level off, reduced RPM to 2300 and started to ease the mixture knob back to go Lean of Peak. At 16.5 gal. per hr., slowly turning the Vernier about 1/8" as normal, fuel flow jumped to 9 gph. with the engine faltering. I tried this twice before concluding "this ain't right". I wish I had thought to use Low Boost or to check Fuel Pressure, but I didn't. We were over the Sierras and headed for the nearest airport but maintained altitude and finally circled down over home base. I did not mess with the mixture on decent thinking a running engine was the best option. The control cable, bracket, arm and movement on the mixture are OK. Testing for leaks, I had the mixture in idle cut off, throttle open full. With Low Boost for about 10 seconds, no leaks. On High Boost for about 10 seconds, I got about a pint of fuel out the sniffle valve. Hmmmmm, it's not supposed to do that. Sounds like the Metering Unit, what do you think? Steve Colwell Legacy IO-550N mostly stock, no ram air or injector mods., 225 hours tt. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01CB21D8.FD58F830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Steve,

 

I always put on low = boost above 10,000 for “vapor suppression”.  On several occasions, = I have experienced fluctuating decreases in RPM that I attributed to = “vapor in the lines”.  Putting on the low boost seemed to solve the = problem.

 

From what I remember = of the Advanced Pilots Course (I took it in Jan of ’06), they suggested = that the problem occurs with hot fuel at high altitudes – and your = story seems to be just that.  Suggest you try using low boost over = 10,000.

 

On another point = – you say you lean to 1300 degrees on climb out.  I am surprised by 1300 degrees.  (Although I know that EGTs can differ according to = installation, and since I have a 10:1 compression engine my EGTs should be lower.) =   I lean to 1100 in the climb until I reach 70% power at which time I lean = to 1200.  Since my peak EGTs are around 1325 (when I lean at 70% - probably higher = at higher power settings), I figure I am at least 250 ROP when above 70% in = the climb.

 

If you lean to 1300 = in the climb, what do you think your peak EGTs are?

How much ROP are you = when you climb?

 

If there are any = “lurkers” from APS, what do you think of 1300?

 

From:= Lancair = Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Steve = Colwell
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:41 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Fuel Control problem

 

On climb out to 14,500’ yesterday I was = having trouble leaning to 1300 degrees.   The mixture knob was extra = sensitive so I favored the rich side.   I had just topped off with 40 gal. = from an above ground tank that was probably around 80 to 85 degrees.  =  Low boost was used from takeoff to about 1500’ agl.,  RPM was = reduced to 2500 and leaning began.   Normally, maintaining 1300 degrees = on the hottest cyl. in the climb (per The Advanced Pilot Course) is easy.   (On the previous flight to 15,500’ for 2.5 hours I noticed = it did not lean normally but I was able to go LOP and it held the fuel flow @ = 9.8 gph.  No fuel had been added and temp on the ground was about 70 = degrees.)

 

When we reached 14,500’, we accelerated in = level off, reduced RPM to 2300 and started to ease the mixture knob back to go Lean = of Peak.  At 16.5 gal. per hr., slowly turning the Vernier about = 1/8” as normal, fuel flow jumped to 9 gph. with the engine faltering.  I = tried this twice before concluding “this ain’t right”.   I wish I had thought to use Low Boost or to check Fuel Pressure, = but I didn’t.  We were over the Sierras and headed for the nearest = airport but maintained altitude and finally circled down over home base. =   I did not mess with the mixture on decent thinking a running engine was = the best option. 

 

The control cable, bracket, arm and movement on the = mixture are OK.  Testing for leaks, I had the mixture in idle cut off, = throttle open full.   With Low Boost for about 10 seconds, no = leaks.  On High Boost for about 10 seconds, I got about a pint of fuel out the = sniffle valve.  Hmmmmm, it’s not supposed to do that.  =

 

Sounds like the Metering Unit, what do you = think?

 

Steve Colwell   Legacy IO-550N mostly = stock, no ram air or injector mods., 225 hours tt.

 

 

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