Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #53600
From: Randy <randystuart@hotmail.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Vne is NOT a meaningless number
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:37:25 -0500
To: <lml>

Well, I will say some planes are built better then others and some pilots have less ability then others. That being said, a poorly built Lancair would have less structural integrity then an expertly built Lancair. This would include materials used, quality of build and finish, W & B.. just to name a few. Then there's pilot ability. I believe Clint said it best when he said " A man's got to know his limitations"..... It is quite obvious that a quality built Lancair will most always exceed it's pilots abilities.
If Lance was afraid to exceed the status quo of his time there would be no Lancair's. If the Rutan brothers were afraid to exceed Vne they would never have touched the stars.  Every plane at Reno exceeds Vne.. But, then again, there are Cessna drivers as well.
Again, I ask what the stats are for Lancair's coming apart from exceeding Vne in clear smooth air??? I can't recall a one. Anyone???
Lance designed and manufactured a very strong very advanced kit, if built right, as intended, it will far exceed your expectations. And the only flutter you'll get is when your heart flutters from the performance Lance designed for pilots that are willing to enjoy it.
 
Randy Stuart
LNC-2
 
 
----- Original Message -----
To: lml
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:51 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Vne is NOT a meaningless number

Randy,
 
Count me in Robert's corner on this - exceed VNE at your own peril, but please don't do it with unwitting passengers onboard.
 
I've seen too many films in the military of what happens to airplanes when flutter begins at excessive airspeed. It's not something you feel coming on like stall buffet and recover from.  It can tear an airframe apart in the blink of an eye.  Sure, differently built planes will experience flutter onset at differing airspeeds, but why would any sane person intentionally exceed a limitation set by the plane's (or kit's) manufacturer?  In the absence of a detailed set of data, including testing an airframe to failure in a wind tunnel, that limitation is all you have.  Sure, it likely has a buffer built into it, but intentional ignorance of the redline on the ASI in any airplane that wasn't specifically designed and modified to do it, experimental or not, is a bad idea.
 
Skip Slater
N540ES
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