X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:36:55 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from col0-omc3-s10.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.148] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3872931 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 23:10:49 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.34.148; envelope-from=bill_kennedy_3@hotmail.com Received: from COL108-W15 ([65.55.34.137]) by col0-omc3-s10.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:10:15 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: bill_kennedy_3@hotmail.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9f70781e-c185-4c3c-b345-c8108311a8a9_" X-Originating-IP: [71.111.138.97] From: Bill Kennedy X-Original-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Beringer wheels and brakes on a 235? X-Original-Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:10:14 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Oct 2009 03:10:15.0283 (UTC) FILETIME=[074A7430:01CA43D7] --_9f70781e-c185-4c3c-b345-c8108311a8a9_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since I can lock the wheels at any speed with my Matco cheapies=2C why shou= ld I consider Grove or Beringer? I've never had any trouble with them and w= onder why other folks are looking elsewhere. To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri=2C 2 Oct 2009 22:34:27 -0400 From: Kevin@arilabs.net Subject: [LML] Re: Beringer wheels and brakes on a 235? They are very=2C VERY nice. =20 =20 Forgive me for looking at this from engineering point of view=85 =20 When I looked at them=2C I compared them to Grove=92s wheels in brakes in terms of stopping capability (claimed). Data sheets are dubious to me when a company is trying to sell something=2C but this is what I read= :=20 Grove shows around 4700 in-lbs=2C while Berigner is 4200 in-lbs. Grove say= s they are capable of dissipating 246=2C000 ft-lbs of kinetic energy while Be= ringer shows 198=2C000 ft-lbs (5 inch wheels and brakes Grove PN: 57-224=2C Berig= ner=92s part number: JA-31=2C Legacy installation). 198k ft-lbs is still respectab= le=2C but I wanted the extra margin. =20 Who knows what the real numbers are=2C but Grove appeared to be better in terms of stopping power. Is this true? I don=92t really know=2C because I don=92t have a dyno to hook them up to. =20 =20 I could be reading this wrong=2C but it also appears Grove is lighter as well. The data sheet isn=92t clear whether or not the 7.2 lbs is for both wheels or just one. I think it means 7.2 lbs for both compared to Beringer=92s 4.25lbs for one? It=92s not too clear if that is the case. =20 Anyway=2C bottom line=2C you have a mission for your plane=2C what ever you choose=2C know your limits. My personal (and uneducated) opinion is that e= ither Grove or Beringer=92s brakes would probably be just fine. Ether brakes you pick=2C you need to know their limits in respect to your airplan= e=92s configuration (i.e. weight and touch down speed). =20 =20 Be careful out there=85 =20 Kevin =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Crai= g Gainza Sent: September 28=2C 2009 19:18 To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Beringer wheels and brakes on a 235? =20 Steve=2C Pete had one of the wheels at Reno.=20 Beautiful design and 15 lbs less weight. It is designed for a tubeless Michelin tire. Not available for the IV's yet but Beringer said they hope to have them available by 2010. Craig To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun=2C 27 Sep 2009 20:40:55 -0400 From: mcmess1919@yahoo.com Subject: [LML] Beringer wheels and brakes on a 235? Here are some photos of Pete Z=92s Legacy installation. If they work as good as they look=85=85=85=85. =20 Steve Colwell __________ NOD32 4452 (20090924) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com = --_9f70781e-c185-4c3c-b345-c8108311a8a9_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since I can lock the wheels at any speed with my Matco cheapies=2C why shou= ld I consider Grove or Beringer? I've never had any trouble with them and w= onder why other folks are looking elsewhere.

To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Fri=2C 2 Oct 2009 22:34:27 -0400
Fro= m: Kevin@arilabs.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Beringer wheels and brakes on a = 235?

They are very=2C VERY nice. =3B

 =3B

Forgive me for looking at this from engineering= point of view=85

 =3B

When I looked at them=2C I compared them to Gro= ve=92s wheels in brakes in terms of stopping capability (claimed). =3B Data sheets are d= ubious to me when a company is trying to sell something=2C but this is what I read= : =3B Grove shows around 4700 in-lbs=2C while Berigner is 4200 in-lbs. =3B Gr= ove says they are capable of dissipating 246=2C000 ft-lbs of kinetic energy while Be= ringer shows 198=2C000 ft-lbs (5 inch wheels and brakes Grove PN:  =3B57-224= =2C Berigner=92s part number: JA-31=2C Legacy installation). =3B 198k ft-lbs is still re= spectable=2C but I wanted the extra margin.

 =3B

Who knows what the real numbers are=2C but Grov= e appeared to be better in terms of stopping power. =3B Is this true? =3B I don=92t really kno= w=2C because I don=92t have a dyno to hook them up to. =3B

 =3B

I could be reading this wrong=2C but it also ap= pears Grove is lighter as well. =3B The data sheet isn=92t clear whether or not the 7.2 lbs is fo= r both wheels or just one. =3B I think it means 7.2 lbs for both compared= to Beringer=92s 4.25lbs for one? =3B It=92s not too clear if that is the case.

 =3B

Anyway=2C bottom line=2C you have a mission for= your plane=2C what ever you choose=2C know your limits. =3B My personal (and uneducated) opinion is= that either Grove or Beringer=92s brakes would probably be just fine. =3B Ether brakes you pick=2C you need to know their limits in respect to your airplan= e=92s configuration (i.e. weight and touch down speed). =3B

 =3B

Be careful out there=85

 =3B

Kevin

 =3B

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancairon= line.net] On Behalf Of C= raig Gainza
Sent: September 28=2C 20= 09 19:18
To: lml@lancaironline.ne= t
Subject: [LML] Re: Berin= ger wheels and brakes on a 235?

 =3B

Steve=2C

Pete had one of the wheels at Reno. =3B Beautiful design and 15 lbs less weight. =3B It is designed for a tubel= ess Michelin tire.

Not available for the IV's yet but Beringer said they hope to have them available by 2010.

Craig




To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Sun=2C 27 Sep 2009 20:40:55 -0400
From: mcmess1919@yahoo.com
Subject: [LML] Beringer wheels and brakes on a 235?

Here are some photos of Pete Z=92s Legacy installation. =3B If they work as good as they look=85=85=85=85.

 =3B

Steve Colwell

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