X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:12:32 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from col0-omc3-s17.col0.hotmail.com ([65.55.34.156] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTP id 3306103 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:27:46 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.34.156; envelope-from=lsmith541@msn.com Received: from COL111-DS20 ([65.55.34.135]) by col0-omc3-s17.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:27:10 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [75.164.214.238] X-Originating-Email: [lsmith541@msn.com] X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: lsmith541@msn.com From: "LEON SMITH" X-Original-To: References: Subject: Re: [LML] Whiners, cut it out. The rest of you - at ease. X-Original-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:27:00 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C94968.310FB830" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.60.0053.2200 In-Reply-To: Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:27:00 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2008 18:27:10.0995 (UTC) FILETIME=[456FA630:01C949AB] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C94968.310FB830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with Bill Wade; if you can't say something positive and = constructive, don't say anything. =20 I purchased my ES kit in 1999 and started flying in 2004. The LML was = and is a great source for me and we all owe Marv immensely for providing = the service. =20 However, I only post when I have a question that needs an answer. = Mostly I just read and sometimes shake my head in disbelief. Why expose = myself to the Alpha types that must feed their ego by jumping on anyone = with which they disagree. The post below by Grayhawk is a prime = example. The pilots I truly respect are not the type that dominates = through intimidation. I live at an airpark so I'm exposed to other = pilots constantly and VERY FEW of them are the so called Alpha type. = They are thoughtful, caring people that respect the views of others, = even if they themselves disagree. I learned a long time ago how to = disagree without being disagreeable and it has served me well. Too bad = we can't all do the same. Marv, I'm in favor of a limited amount of censorship. - Leon Smith Posted by Bill Wade: This is exactly why people are reluctant to post. Who needs the = aggravation? I didn't realize this forum was only for Alphas. Alphas = dominate through intimidation. That applies to wolf packs and baboon = troops but it should have no place here. People with thin skins are especially courageous when they put = themselves at risk of ridicule and abuse by posting their opinions. = Those who don't care are simply insensitive, not tough. For this forum = to benefit the greatest number of people there needs to be a certain = level of respect. Otherwise it will end up with just a few posters. = -Bill Wade Scattered amongst the normal Lancairians are at least two other = types: 1. Those afraid to be criticized (not those that claim to have = donned flame suits) and thus don't enter the Q&A milieu. How the devil = can they be pilots? Do they shrivel and shrink when ATC issues an = analysis of some recent dunderhead flight maneuver? Have they forgotten = the abuse heaped on them by things called CFI's? Are they always = perfect at work? Are they just ex-airline captains? Huh? Huh? Come on, = we're supposed to be type-A, take charge people........... Who cares if = a stranger from half-way around the world is punching holes in your = statements? Are you going to get embarrassed? Do you think the crowd = of chuckling Lancairians are going to remember your gaffes at the next = fly-in? So what? Get over it. Move beyond your critiphobia so the = learning can start (I know of a 12 step plan) . 2. Those that ask questions that have no answer. Like, "Why?" = Actually, there is evidence that some don't know how to ask a question. = A recent example was, "What exhaust do I use on a Lancair IV?" These = are the same people that drop their airplane off at the shop with the = terse squawk, "The AP doesn't work." Or, the Geek Squad is coming over = to your house because you called and said. "The whatchamacallit isn't = blinking." To answer any question, one needs some context. =20 Try this the next time you text a query on your device (Blueberry or = whatever) - Before sending it, get up or remain standing if already up, = and walk around to the other side of the screen. Pretend you are an = ignorant recipient of the glorious piece of prose you just prepared. = See if you might need to provide some additional information to = intelligently frame an answer to the question with relevance to your = needs. Really, try it and you may be surprised. OK, I know you can't = read through the back side of the screen, think vertically and keep = walking in a circle until the screen face comes into view again. = Geeeeeez. Grayhawk -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Get the Moviefone = Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more! ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C94968.310FB830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree with Bill Wade; if you can't say something positive and=20 constructive, don't say anything. 
 
I purchased my ES kit in 1999 and started flying in 2004.  The = LML was=20 and is a great source for me and we all owe Marv immensely for = providing=20 the service. 
 
However, I only post when I have a question that needs an = answer. =20 Mostly I just read and sometimes shake my head in disbelief.  Why = expose=20 myself to the Alpha types that must feed their ego by jumping on = anyone=20 with which they disagree.  The post below by Grayhawk is a = prime=20 example.  The pilots I truly respect are not the type that = dominates=20 through intimidation.  I live at an airpark so I'm exposed to=20 other pilots constantly and VERY FEW of them are the so called = Alpha=20 type.  They are thoughtful, caring people that respect the = views of=20 others, even if they themselves disagree.  I learned a long time = ago how to=20 disagree without being disagreeable and it has served me well.  Too = bad we=20 can't all do the same.
 
Marv, I'm in favor of a limited amount of censorship.  - Leon=20 Smith
Posted by Bill Wade:
  This is exactly why people are reluctant to post. Who = needs the=20 aggravation? I didn't realize this forum was only for Alphas. = Alphas=20 dominate through intimidation. That applies to wolf packs = and baboon=20 troops but it should have no place here.
 
  People with thin skins are especially courageous when = they=20 put themselves at risk of ridicule and abuse by posting their = opinions. Those=20 who don't care are simply insensitive, not tough. For this forum to = benefit=20 the greatest number of people there needs to be a certain level of = respect.=20 Otherwise it will end up with just a few posters.    = -Bill=20 Wade

Scattered amongst the normal Lancairians are at least two = other=20 types:
 
1. Those afraid to be criticized (not those that claim to have = donned=20 flame suits) and thus don't enter the Q&A milieu.  How the = devil=20 can they be pilots?  Do they shrivel and shrink when ATC issues = an=20 analysis of some recent dunderhead flight maneuver?  Have they=20 forgotten the abuse heaped on them by things called CFI's?  Are = they=20 always perfect at work?  Are they just ex-airline captains? = Huh?=20 Huh? Come on, we're supposed to be type-A, take charge=20 people...........  Who cares if a stranger from half-way around = the=20 world is punching holes in your statements?  Are you going to = get=20 embarrassed?  Do you think the crowd of chuckling = Lancairians are=20 going to remember your gaffes at the next fly-in?   = So what?=20  Get over it.  Move beyond your critiphobia so the = learning can=20 start (I know of a 12 step plan) .
 
2. Those that ask questions that have no answer.  Like,=20 "Why?"  Actually, there is evidence that some don't know how to = ask a=20 question.  A recent example was, "What exhaust do I use on a = Lancair=20 IV?"  These are the same people that drop their airplane = off at=20 the shop with the terse squawk, "The AP doesn't work."  Or, the = Geek=20 Squad is coming over to your house because you called and said. "The = whatchamacallit isn't blinking."  To answer any question, one = needs=20 some context. 
 
Try this the next time you text a query on your device = (Blueberry or=20 whatever) - Before sending it, get up or remain standing if already = up, and=20 walk around to the other side of the screen.  Pretend you are = an=20 ignorant recipient of the glorious piece of prose you just=20 prepared.  See if you might need to provide some additional = information=20 to intelligently frame an answer to the question with relevance = to your=20 needs.  Really, try it and you may be surprised.  OK, I = know you=20 can't read through the back side of the screen, think vertically and = keep=20 walking in a circle until the screen face comes into view = again. =20 Geeeeeez.
 
Grayhawk



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