X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:09:54 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [64.98.42.134] (HELO smtprelay.b.hostedemail.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTP id 3305077 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:43:13 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.98.42.134; envelope-from=rmitch1@hughes.net Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (b-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay01.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4CEE31072E93 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:42:38 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 1 X-Spam-Summary: 30,2,0,453483aecd2ed61e,b411e116ac38a5be,rmitch1@hughes.net,lml@lancaironline.net,RULES_HIT:10:75:327:355:379:467:476:509:539:541:542:599:600:800:901:945:946:960:962:966:967:972:973:980:983:988:989:1021:1029:1155:1160:1189:1208:1221:1260:1308:1309:1313:1314:1345:1359:1431:1436:1437:1515:1516:1517:1521:1575:1588:1589:1592:1594:1605:1608:1617:1691:1730:1776:1792:2069:2070:2194:2196:2198:2199:2200:2201:2378:2525:2526:2528:2551:2553:2567:2682:2685:2693:2731:2857:2859:2895:2900:2902:2916:2917:2924:2925:2926:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3027:3280:3585:3586:3636:3770:3865:3866:3867:3868:3869:3870:3871:3872:3873:3874:3876:3877:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4031:4250:4321:4362:4379:4385:5007:6114:6117:6119:6248:6300:7514:7576:7679:7688:7775:7875:7903:7980:8501:8518:8583:8599:8603:8784:8907:8957:9010:9025:9040:9121:9177:9388,0,RBL:none,CacheIP:none,Bayesian:0.5,0.5,0.5,Netcheck:none,DomainCache:0,MSF:not bulk,SPF:,MSBL:none,DNSBL:none Received: from SonyVaioSZ (dpc6935104091.direcpc.com [69.35.104.91]) (Authenticated sender: rmitch1@hughes.net) by omf04.b.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:42:32 +0000 (UTC) From: "Robert Mitchell" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: LML/ Still building X-Original-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:41:52 -0600 X-Original-Message-ID: <7002F1E8D0E54BA28001C5E433F4020E@SonyVaioSZ> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01A7_01C948EC.9FC50220" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclI6nKp+URBvdK8SrCD7sWpLGVHkQALsi2A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-session-marker: 726D6974636831406875676865732E6E6574 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A7_01C948EC.9FC50220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm still building, and I think this is a great site. I bought my 320 kit in 1988, serial #325, built for several years until 1993, then for multiple reasons quit until this year. This website is invaluable to me. Now, when I start a new task, first I read the 360 mark II manual, the factory revisions and service bulletins and finally research the LML archives for new or better ways to complete the task. Two things that would help me are; 1. a more definitive subject heading that would make searching easier -- maybe some combination of terms i.e. LNC2/build, LIV/ins. etc. 2. Biography of the LML contributor. In the archives, or? Obviously we have a lot of very real talent on the LML, but, being a new person here I would like to know what your talents are. Obviously, if you bought your A/C yesterday with no builders experience, your talents will be very different than a finite analysis engineer with 30 years of test pilot experience and has built one or more Lancairs. In other words, the BS artist is hard to spot (at first). Thanks to Marv and the list. Bob Mitchell L-320 hopefully flying next summer _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of T Brand Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:25 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: LML/ Still building I hope all the interest in a new webb site does not diminish the capability and opportunity for help during construction. I am still building. Still trying to match a MKII tail to a 1993 vintage fuselage. Still trying to make sense of the original plans and two updates. Perhaps there IS a need to inventory the interests of those active on this site. I am not looking to join a new site. Tom Brand _____ To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:01:16 -0500 From: rpharis@teamimc.com Subject: [LML] Re: LML Do we have a log in which we can state and update percent completion, start date and target first flight date, so we can track who is building and who is flying? Rod -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Earl Schroeder Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 7:07 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: LML Bryan, Angier, Marv, I doubt if many are actually building kits today. Having purchased my kit in 1987 and flying today, I still read each post and learn from time to time. I know of no Lancair builders within several hundred miles and I am the only owner in this area also. There are several RV kits in progress and several flying. I would be interested in how often a reply it sent to a builder privately. I know I send most privately to avoid the wrath of some here on LML. As age increases, my skin thins... Marv, I really don't mind seeing the many discussion paths. My delete key works for me. I do appreciate you for taking the time to support this forum! Earl _____ From: Bryan Wullner To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 6:36:20 AM Subject: [LML] Re: LML Angier, I agree. It seems like there isn't much happening on the LML as far build discussions. You can still get answers to some but really seems like not much activity for, what I thought to be a fairly large amount of aircraft kits out there. Anyone know how many Lancair kits have been sold since the inception? Lancair builders and owners are either: 1. Going extinct or: 2. People who fly and build Lancairs don't care to have any web presence. Which will eventually lead Lancair to item 1 in this age.. Soon its going to be a world where experiment airplane is defined as an RV. Thats my Wahhh wahhh wahh viewpoint of the day. Bryan On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:08 PM, wrote: Posted for "Greenbacks, UnLtd." : I may be confused about the original purpose and intent of LML but then again, I'm confused by many things of late. As I recall, LML came into existence in order to be a sort of clearinghouse for builders to share building tips, techniques, problem solving, etc... and as an extension/supplement to factory technical support. LML seems to me to be drifting wide of this mark and in danger of losing its relevance, to me anyway. Perhaps I'm one of only a few still building and as such, recent posts about FAA crud are of little importance to me. Angier Ames N4ZQ N3ZQ [Good points, Angier.... I've always tried to keep a very light hand on the LML, allowing the community to pretty much police itself. As a more-or-less open venue, its focus tends to shift with the times. It was a much different community back when I started the LML, one that was pretty much dominated by builders. Over the years much of that building has resulted in completed aircraft and a change of focus for those folks who have moved from building to flying and maintaining. This doesn't mean that we still don't have meaningful discussions about the former, just that they tend to be fewer and further between. That being said, if you (and I mean that collectively here) would prefer that I start filtering the more "peripheral" discussions from the LML, I'd be happy to do so. My concern is mostly about where to draw the line. Let me think about it over the weekend, and if anyone else would like to chime in with suggestions or solutions to perceived problems, please feel free to contact me offline at my private email address, just so we don't clog the LML with a bunch of management issues that are better left in the back room. Thanks to everyone for your continued support and participation... without you the LML would be an empty email box. ] -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html _____ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. 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I’m still building, and I = think this is a great site.  I bought my 320 kit in 1988, serial #325, built = for several years until 1993, then for multiple reasons quit until this = year.  This website is invaluable to me.  Now, when I start a new task, = first I read the 360 mark II manual, the factory revisions and service bulletins = and finally research the LML archives for new or better ways to complete the = task. 

 

Two things that would help me = are;

 

  1. a more definitive subject heading that would make searching = easier  -- maybe some combination of terms i.e. LNC2/build, LIV/ins. = etc.
  2. Biography of the LML contributor.  In the archives, or? =   Obviously we have a lot of very real talent on the LML, but, being a new = person here I would like to know what your talents are.  Obviously, if you = bought your A/C yesterday with no builders experience, your talents will = be very different than a finite analysis engineer with 30 years of test = pilot experience and has built one or more Lancairs.  In other = words, the BS artist is hard to spot (at first).

 =

Thanks to Marv and the list.

 =

Bob Mitchell

L-320 hopefully flying next summer

 

From: = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of T Brand
Sent: Monday, November = 17, 2008 1:25 PM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: LML/ = Still building

 

I hope all the interest = in a new webb site does not diminish the capability and opportunity for help = during construction.  I am still building.  Still trying to match a = MKII tail to a 1993 vintage fuselage. Still trying to make sense of  the original plans and two updates. 

Perhaps there IS a need to inventory the interests of those active on = this site.  I am not looking to join a new = site.

Tom = Brand<= /p>




To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:01:16 -0500
From: rpharis@teamimc.com
Subject: [LML] Re: LML

Do we have a log in which we can state and update percent completion, start = date and target first flight date, so we can track who is building and = who is flying?

 

Rod= <= /p>

-----Original = Message-----
From: Lancair Mailing = List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net]On = Behalf Of Earl Schroeder
Sent: Saturday, November = 15, 2008 7:07 AM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: = LML<= /p>

Bryan, Angier, Marv,
I doubt if many are actually building kits today.  Having purchased = my kit in 1987 and flying today, I still read each post and learn from time to time.  I know of no Lancair builders within several hundred miles = and I am the only owner in this area also.  There are several RV kits in = progress and several flying.

I would be interested in how often a reply it sent to a builder privately.  I know I send most privately to avoid the wrath of some = here on LML.  As age increases, my skin thins...

Marv, I really don't mind seeing the many discussion paths.  My = delete key works for me.  I do appreciate you for taking the time to support = this forum!  Earl

 

From: Bryan = Wullner <vonjet@gmail.com>
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Saturday, November = 15, 2008 6:36:20 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: = LML

Angier,

 

I agree.  It seems like there isn't much happening on the = LML as far build discussions.  You can still get answers to some but = really seems like not much activity for, what I thought to be a fairly large amount = of aircraft kits out there. 

Anyone know how many Lancair kits have been sold since the inception? 

Lancair builders and owners are = either: 

1. Going extinct or: 

2. People who fly and build Lancairs don't care to have any web presence. Which will eventually lead Lancair to item 1 in this = age..

Soon its going to be a world where experiment airplane is = defined as an RV.

Thats my Wahhh wahhh wahh viewpoint of the = day.

Bryan

  

 

 

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:08 PM, <marv@lancair.net> wrote:

Posted for = "Greenbacks, UnLtd." <N4ZQ@comcast.net>:

 I may be confused about the original purpose and intent of LML but  then
again, I'm confused by many things of late.
 As I recall, LML came into existence in order to be a sort of  clearinghouse
for builders to share building tips, techniques, = problem  solving, etc... and
as an extension/supplement to factory technical  support.
 
 LML seems to me to be drifting wide of this mark and in danger of  losing its
relevance, to me anyway. Perhaps I'm one of only a few  still building and as
such, recent posts about FAA crud are of little  importance to = me.
 
 Angier Ames
 N4ZQ
 N3ZQ


[Good points, Angier.... I've always tried to keep a very light hand on = the LML, allowing the community to pretty much police itself.  As a more-or-less open venue, its focus tends to shift with the times.  = It was a much different community back when I started the LML, one that was = pretty much dominated by builders.  Over the years much of that building = has resulted in completed aircraft and a change of focus for those folks who = have moved from building to flying and maintaining.  This doesn't mean = that we still don't have meaningful discussions about the former, just that they = tend to be fewer and further between.  That being said, if you (and I = mean that collectively here) would prefer that I start filtering the more "peripheral" discussions from the LML, I'd be happy to do = so.  My concern is mostly about where to draw the line.  Let me think = about it over the weekend, and if anyone else would like to chime in with = suggestions or solutions to perceived problems, please feel free to contact me offline = at my private email address, just so we don't clog the LML with a bunch of = management issues that are better left in the back room.  Thanks to everyone = for your continued support and participation... without you the LML would be an = empty email box.  <Marv>   ]

 

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