X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:36:26 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.5] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.10) with ESMTP id 3303291 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:57:56 -0500 Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v39.1.) id q.d10.3cc373f0 (34922) for ; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.152]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.6) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA037-5bc54920c18e33; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:57:51 -0500 Received: from FWM-M09 (fwm-m09.webmail.aol.com [64.12.168.73]) by smtprly-db01.mx.aol.com (v121_r3.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDB014-5bc54920c18e33; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:57:50 -0500 References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: LML X-Original-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:57:49 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 71.85.153.156 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CB1666A5B741D1_1118_6C5_FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Received: from 71.85.153.156 by FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com (64.12.168.73) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:57:49 -0500 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CB1666A5AB5619-1118-34E@FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO ----------MB_8CB1666A5B741D1_1118_6C5_FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bought LIVP kit #456 December 1999. Factory one week builder class February 2000. First Flight December 3, 2002. There are over 2000 Lancair kits sold. Over 1000 have an Airworthiness certificate.?At least?15 Evolutions have been sold. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Rod Pharis To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 5:01 pm Subject: [LML] Re: LML Do we have a log in which we can state and update percent completion, start date and target first flight date, so we?can track?who is building and who is flying? ? Rod -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Earl Schroeder Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 7:07 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: LML Bryan, Angier, Marv, I doubt if many are actually building kits today.? Having purchased my kit in 1987 and flying today, I still read each post and learn from time to time.? I know of no Lancair builders within several hundred miles and I am the only owner in this area also.? There are several RV kits in progress and several flying. I would be interested in how often a reply it sent to a builder privately.? I know I send most privately to avoid the wrath of some here on LML.? As age increases, my skin thins... Marv, I really don't mind seeing the many discussion paths.? My delete key works for me.? I do appreciate you for taking the time to support this forum!? Earl From: Bryan Wullner To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 6:36:20 AM Subject: [LML] Re: LML Angier, I agree. ?It seems like there isn't much happening on the LML as far build discussions. ?You can still get answers to some but really seems like not much activity for, what I thought to be a fairly large amount of aircraft kits out there.? Anyone know how many Lancair kits have been sold since the inception?? Lancair builders and owners are either:? 1. Going extinct or:? 2. People who fly and build Lancairs don't care to have any web presence. Which will eventually lead Lancair to item 1 in this age.. Soon its going to be a world where experiment airplane is defined as an RV. Thats my Wahhh wahhh wahh viewpoint of the day. Bryan ?? On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:08 PM, wrote: Posted for "Greenbacks, UnLtd." : ?I may be confused about the original purpose and intent of LML but??then again, I'm confused by many things of late. ?As I recall, LML came into existence in order to be a sort of??clearinghouse for builders to share building tips, techniques, problem??solving, etc... and as an extension/supplement to factory technical??support. ? ?LML seems to me to be drifting wide of this mark and in danger of??losing its relevance, to me anyway. Perhaps I'm one of only a few??still building and as such, recent posts about FAA crud are of little??importance to me. ? ?Angier Ames ?N4ZQ ?N3ZQ [Good points, Angier.... I've always tried to keep a very light hand on the LML, allowing the community to pretty much police itself.? As a more-or-less open venue, its focus tends to shift with the times.? It was a much different community back when I started the LML, one that was pretty much dominated by builders.? Over the years much of that building has resulted in completed aircraft and a change of focus for those folks who have moved from building to flying and maintaining.? This doesn't mean that we still don't have meaningful discussions about the former, just that they tend to be fewer and further between.? That being said, if you (and I mean that collectively here) would prefer that I start filtering the more "peripheral" discussions from the LML, I'd be happy to do so.? My concern is mostly about where to draw the line.? Let me think about it over the weekend, and if anyone else would like to chime in with suggestions or solutions to perceived problems, please feel free to contact me offline at my private email address, just so we don't clog the LML with a bunch of management issues that are better left in the back room.? Thanks to everyone for your continued support and participation... without you the LML would be an empty email box.? ?? ] -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ----------MB_8CB1666A5B741D1_1118_6C5_FWM-M09.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Bought LIVP kit #456 December 1999. Factory one week builder class February 2000. First Flight December 3, 2002. There are over 2000 Lancair kits sold. Over 1000 have an Airworthiness certificate. At least 15 Evolutions have been sold.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Pharis <rpharis@teamimc.com>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 5:01 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: LML

Do we have a log in which we can state and update percent completion, start date and target first flight date, so we can track who is building and who is flying?
 
Rod
-----Original Message-----
From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net]On Behalf Of Earl Schroeder
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 7:07 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: LML

Bryan, Angier, Marv,
I doubt if many are actually building kits today.  Having purchased my kit in 1987 and flying today, I still read each post and learn from time to time.  I know of no Lancair builders within several hundred miles and I am the only owner in this area also.  There are several RV kits in progress and several flying.

I would be interested in how often a reply it sent to a builder privately.  I know I send most privately to avoid the wrath of some here on LML.  As age increases, my skin thins...

Marv, I really don't mind seeing the many discussion paths.  My delete key works for me.  I do appreciate you for taking the time to support this forum!  Earl

From: Bryan Wullner <vonjet@gmail.com>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 6:36:20 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: LML

Angier,

I agree.  It seems like there isn't much happening on the LML as far build discussions.  You can still get answers to some but really seems like not much activity for, what I thought to be a fairly large amount of aircraft kits out there. 
Anyone know how many Lancair kits have been sold since the inception? 
Lancair builders and owners are either: 
1. Going extinct or: 
2. People who fly and build Lancairs don't care to have any web presence. Which will eventually lead Lancair to item 1 in this age..
Soon its going to be a world where experiment airplane is defined as an RV.
Thats my Wahhh wahhh wahh viewpoint of the day.
Bryan
  



On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:08 PM, <marv@lancair.net> wrote:
Posted for "Greenbacks, UnLtd." <N4ZQ@comcast.net>:

 I may be confused about the original purpose and intent of LML but  then
again, I'm confused by many things of late.
 As I recall, LML came into existence in order to be a sort of  clearinghouse
for builders to share building tips, techniques, problem  solving, etc... and
as an extension/supplement to factory technical  support.
 
 LML seems to me to be drifting wide of this mark and in danger of  losing its
relevance, to me anyway. Perhaps I'm one of only a few  still building and as
such, recent posts about FAA crud are of little  importance to me.
 
 Angier Ames
 N4ZQ
 N3ZQ


[Good points, Angier.... I've always tried to keep a very light hand on the LML, allowing the community to pretty much police itself.  As a more-or-less open venue, its focus tends to shift with the times.  It was a much different community back when I started the LML, one that was pretty much dominated by builders.  Over the years much of that building has resulted in completed aircraft and a change of focus for those folks who have moved from building to flying and maintaining.  This doesn't mean that we still don't have meaningful discussions about the former, just that they tend to be fewer and further between.  That being said, if you (and I mean that collectively here) would prefer that I start filtering the more "peripheral" discussions from the LML, I'd be happy to do so.  My concern is mostly about where to draw the line.  Let me think about it over the weekend, and if anyone else would like to chime in with suggestions or solutions to perceived problems, please feel free to contact me offline at my private email address, just so we don't clog the LML with a bunch of management issues that are better left in the back room.  Thanks to everyone for your continued support and participation... without you the LML would be an empty email box.  <Marv>   ]

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