X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:11:05 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.17] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTP id 3098779 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:58:20 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.62.17; envelope-from=j.hafen@comcast.net Received: from OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7vGJ1a00Y0ldTLk5Axxm3E; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:57:46 +0000 Received: from [10.128.88.223] ([206.191.160.125]) by OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7xxa1a0012idoaN3QxxdNw; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:57:43 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=qmeLuiNwcyVyg33MXq8A:9 a=0UlOxf84zlLyvsQwCaUA:7 a=4rJt3zIk9vRrYRj_sp4TqrXWBK4A:4 a=NQ6LF8Y-154A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 a=pDRWyuttw1b1nx579GEA:9 a=w2eczZb6LK1doGSKLBMA:7 a=-CIWJNi4aYhibGDX6iHCG8dNePwA:4 a=Sz-0p1zU2dQA:10 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.12.0.080729 X-Original-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:57:33 -0700 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: videos From: John Hafen X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List X-Original-Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: videos Thread-Index: AckJWRLdEGnvkrekF0uP8AHv8l5uRw== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3302780262_916928" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3302780262_916928 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I think that by posting anything at all in this forum, you are asking for feedback. =B3Brace yourself, Laddie!=B2 (Irish Foreplay) On 8/28/08 11:55 AM, "vonjet@gmail.com" wrote: > Jeff, First off. I never said it was ok. Second. Find something better t= o do > with your time then sit around and "summarize" my post into your own twis= ted > interpetations. Its just a comment on the videos. I enjoy watching them. > Nothing you can do about it. I Never said it was safe. And I never asked= for > feedback, including yours. >=20 > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >=20 >=20 > From: vtailjeff@aol.com > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:51:40 -0400 > To: > Subject: [LML] Re: videos >=20 > =20 >> Lets not start bashing our fellow Lancair pilots, whom have contributed >> plenty to this list Im sure, just for putting up a video of some dangero= us >> flying....that most of us enjoy watching......I have worked in professio= nal >> aviation for 14 years now and every pilot I know, >=20 > Bryan, >=20 > I am not sure that I understand your post--but let me see if I can summa= rize > your comments. >=20 > 1. Its ok to do something illegal and dangerous because you enjoy watchi= ng > it. >=20 > 2. You have worked in "professional aviation" for 14 years and every pil= ot > you know does it. >=20 > 3. You know the folks who do these illegal and dangerous stunts and they= are > great folks therefore it is ok. >=20 > Children give the same kind of excuses when they are little: >=20 > 1. Everyone else is doing it. > 2. They saw this stunt on tv therefore they can do it, too. > 3. Their best friend does it. >=20 > Bryan--please let me know what part of "professional aviation" you are i= n so > I can be an informed consumer. >=20 > Your former customer, >=20 > Jeff >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryan Wullner > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Sent: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:08 am > Subject: [LML] Re: videos >=20 > =20 > =20 > I like those youtube videos. May not be safe or something that I would/c= ould > do but neither are low level aerobatics at airshows or Reno air races. > I happen to know some of those who are flying in those videos and they ar= e a > great group. Lets not start bashing our fellow Lancair pilots, whom have > contributed plenty to this list Im sure, just for putting up a video of s= ome > dangerous flying....that most of us enjoy watching......I have worked in > professional aviation for 14 years now and every pilot I know, including = the > professionals have done stuff like this and often worse. Doesn't make i= t ok. > But as long as there are fast planes pilots to fly them there will be hot > flyin. > =20 >=20 > =20 > Bryan=20 >=20 > =20 > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Michael Smith wro= te: > =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> Go to youtube.com and type in "Lancair low pass" = and >> watch at the knuckleheads buzzing sailboats, etc. >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> I looked at the videos available for Lancair on you tube. I frankly was >> horrified, particularly by the stunts of low altitude high speed passes-= sure >> I get the exhilaration part but if I were sitting back as CEO in an >> overstuffed leather care in the corner office of a very niche insurance = arena >> and saw that this is how these airplanes were being flown, I would reque= st a >> Rorschach diagram and MMPI on every pilot application and think long and= hard >> about how high I could possible squeeze the premium because its not real= ly a >> question of when some idiot is going to auger in but how many and would = my >> company be involved in paying back the damages. Clearly a few people sp= oiled >> the stew. I am disgusted, frankly with not only that that stuff was bei= ng >> done but also that it posted on the web to declare such stupidity for th= e >> whole world to see. >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> Thanks to the select few who are ruining it for the rest of us. >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> Michael Smith >> =20 >> TT 880 IV hopefully going make it forever- so far so good >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >=20 >=20 > Check out AOL Video > to see w= hat's > making news today! > =20 --B_3302780262_916928 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [LML] Re: videos I think that by posting anything at all in this forum, you are asking for = feedback.

“Brace yourself, Laddie!”  (Irish Foreplay)


On 8/28/08 11:55 AM, "vonjet@gmail.com&= quot; <vonjet@gmail.com> wrote:

<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'> Jeff, First off. I never said it was ok. Second= . Find something better to do with your time then sit around and "summa= rize" my post into your own twisted interpetations. Its just a comment = on the videos. I enjoy watching them. Nothing you can do about it.  I N= ever said it was safe. And I never asked for feedback, including yours. &nbs= p;

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From:  vtailjeff@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:51:40 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>= ;
Subject: [LML] Re: videos

 
<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'>Lets not start bashing our fellow Lancair pilots= , whom have contributed plenty to this list Im sure, just for putting up a v= ideo of some dangerous flying....that most of us enjoy watching......I have = worked in professional aviation for 14 years now and every pilot I know,
=
 Bryan,

 I am not sure that I understand your post--but let me see if I can su= mmarize your comments.

 1. Its ok to do something illegal and dangerous because you enjoy wat= ching it.

 2. You have worked in "professional aviation" for 14 years = and every pilot you know does it.

 3. You know the folks who do these illegal and dangerous stunts and t= hey are great folks therefore it is ok.

 Children give the same kind of excuses when they are little:

 1. Everyone else is doing it.
 2. They saw this stunt on tv therefore they can do it, too.
 3. Their best friend does it.

 Bryan--please let me know what part of "professional aviation&qu= ot; you are in so I can be an informed consumer.

 Your former customer,

 Jeff







 -----Original Message-----
 From: Bryan Wullner <vonjet@gmail.com>
 To: lml@lancaironline.net
 Sent: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:08 am
 Subject: [LML] Re: videos

  
 
I like those youtube videos.  May not be safe or something that I woul= d/could do but neither are low level aerobatics at airshows or Reno air race= s.
I happen to know some of those who are flying in those videos and they are = a great group. Lets not start bashing our fellow Lancair pilots, whom have c= ontributed plenty to this list Im sure, just for putting up a video of some = dangerous flying....that most of us enjoy watching......I have worked in pro= fessional aviation for 14 years now and every pilot I know, including the pr= ofessionals have done stuff like this and often worse.   Doesn't m= ake it ok. But as long as there are fast planes pilots to fly them there wil= l be hot flyin.
  

  
Bryan

  
On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Michael Smith <mdpilot982@gmail.com> wrote:
 
<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'>
 
 
Go = to youtube.com <http://youtube.com/>=  and type in "Lancair low pass" and watch at the knucklehead= s buzzing sailboats, etc.
 
 
 
I looked at the videos available for Lancair on you tube. &nb= sp;I frankly was horrified, particularly by the stunts of low altitude high = speed passes- sure I get the exhilaration part but if I were sitting back as= CEO in an overstuffed leather care in the corner office of a very niche ins= urance arena and saw that this is how these airplanes were being flown, I wo= uld request a Rorschach diagram and MMPI on every pilot application and thin= k long and hard about how high I could possible squeeze the premium because = its not really a question of when some idiot is going to auger in but how ma= ny and would my company be involved in paying back the damages.  Clearl= y a few people spoiled the stew.  I am disgusted, frankly with not only= that that stuff was being done but also that it posted on the web to declar= e such stupidity for the whole world to see.
  
 
Thanks to the select few who are ruining it for the rest of u= s.
  
 
Michael Smith
  
TT 880 IV hopefully going make it forever- so far so good
  
 
=
Check out AOL Video <http://video.aol= .com/show/ap/101923?ncid=3Daolvdp00050000000184>  to see what's ma= king news today!
  
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