X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:48:25 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: <2thman@cablespeed.com> Received: from mxo6.broadbandsupport.net ([209.55.3.86] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTP id 3096083 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:04:13 -0400 Received-SPF: softfail receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.55.3.86; envelope-from=2thman@cablespeed.com X-Original-Return-Path: <2thman@cablespeed.com> Received: from [66.235.44.170] ([66.235.44.170:64746] helo=Home) by mxo6.broadbandsupport.net (envelope-from <2thman@cablespeed.com>) (ecelerity 2.2.1.21 r(19176)) with ESMTP id C5/08-15264-4BE55B84; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:03:32 -0400 From: "John Barrett" <2thman@cablespeed.com> X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: RE: [LML] ....thoughts on accidents "Flying slow is not for the uninformed, and maybe not for most" X-Original-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:03:31 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <0e8101c9084d$b0a57ff0$11f07fd0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AckITa+HG4RcCBQVR6SaYhbiVyIiLw== Content-Language: en-us Lynn F. replies to Bill: "I can fly as slow as the next guy, but why. What is your definition of = slow flying? 1 knot above stalling AOA, 2knots or maybe 10 knots? What?" It seems we're getting into a miscommunication area and Lynn articulates = it succinctly when he asks for a definition of "slow flight". Clearly = every pilot has to be able to fly his aircraft at pattern and landing = airspeeds during every flight (takeoffs are optional - landings are mandatory). = This regime needs to be a proficiency for everyone to safely get the lawn = dart on the ground. It appears that's not what most folks are getting nervous = about when Bill or others say you need to be practiced at "slow flight". =20 Another proficiency is important for safety and for understanding your airplane and that's the one they taught us regularly in Navy flight = school and in the RAG's and throughout our military careers - it's the one = where you learn what happens to your airplane at high angles of attack and the = L/D curve turns sour. Basic training for a private pilot's license also includes this training. =20 How does the aircraft behave? Does it give you warning? Do you get = stick shake? Do you get buffet? How far above stall does this happen? Do = you get no warning? What are the consequences of ignoring the warnings? = Does the aircraft drop straight ahead or does a wing drop? How does it = depart when it stalls? You may need to know from test pilots whether it's even safe to find out some of the answers, but the bottom line is it's = important to know the answers to these questions. Experiencing and exploring this part of the flight envelope is important so that you can recognize = whatever signs your particular aircraft will provide you in order to make you = start puckering and do instinctively the corrective action that will interrupt your path towards tragedy. I may be wrong but I think this definition = of "slow flight" is the regime that you do not need to do regularly, you = should not do anywhere below a safe recovery altitude and you need to do once = in awhile during currency training to remind yourself what these behavior characteristics specific to your aircraft happen to be Hope this clarifies - if not, simply ignore the rantings of an old = pilot. Regards, John Barrett, CEO Leading Edge Composites PO Box 428 Port Hadlock, WA 98339 www.carbinge.com =A0=20