Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #48587
From: <marv@lancair.net>
Subject: Re: Speeds & stuff
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:48:04 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Posted for "Luke Alcorn" <lalcorn@natca.net>:

 I don't know where the other poster was going with this, but I will just add
 an answer.  Slow flight by the FAA definition is 1.1 times the stall speed
 in the configuration.  If your stall speed is 67 knots clean, then slow
 flight should be accomplished at 74.  Stall speed dirty 60 slow flight 66.
 These airplanes fly fine at 10 percent above stall speed.  Do I do this is
 the pattern?  No.   Approach speed should be 1.2 times stall speed and I
 usually add another 5 to 10 knots to that any time the wind is not dead
 calm.  My only point to this is, I do not have any experience in a IV but
 110 on final seems a bit excessive, when the numbers I've heard here say any
 where between 72 and 80 for stall speed.  95 to 100 sounds much more
 reasonable.  Just my uninformed opinion.


[Food for thought... the Frantz (now AFS) AOA Pro pierces the approach AOA donut at 1.3 X stall AOA, or 1.3 times the stall speed.  1.2 x Vs is too high an angle of attack for the approach, IMHO.  Heck, the stall warning comes on at 1.15 x Vs.  FWIW      <marv>   ]
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Bill,
 
 
 
 I can fly as slow as the next guy, but why. What is your definition of slow
 flying? 1 knot above stalling AOA, 2knots or maybe 10 knots? What?
 
 
 
 This discussion started with trying to figure out how not to crash a
 Lancair. Normal traffic pattern speeds are not my idea of "slow flying". As
 a result, when someone talks about doing "slow flying, in a Lancair, at
 traffic pattern altitudes the hair on the back of my neck starts to rise.
 IMO, Lancair airplanes should only be flown in the "slow flight" envelope
 above an altitude from which you can recover from the worst possible outcome
 of flying in that envelope.
 
 
 
 Lynn Farnsworth
 
 
 
 
 
 Luke Alcorn
 
 Air Traffic Control Specialist
 
 NATCA Safety Rep
 
 Jacksonville Air Route Traffic Control Center
 
 
 
 
 
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