X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:37:54 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.64] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTP id 3095021 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:58:16 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.64; envelope-from=douglasbrunner@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=SIRglaksPLenBh6DFzfHL4zMSiNwDirLHGFtlvE4h67ewJIpZAJQG09CjW+djblZ; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [74.93.196.177] (helo=DougsLaptop) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KY5bi-00010f-Jv for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:57:42 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <692A7D0F0AEB4E1187BBEAD4F1CCD88E@DougsLaptop> From: "Douglas Brunner" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [LML] Cleveland International Airshow and others that won't allow airplanes to fly-in !!!!!! X-Original-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:57:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01C9079C.D9E75980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-ELNK-Trace: ad85a799c4f5de37c2eb1477c196d22294f5150ab1c16ac08868399773331e30296c1dbcd8250fc5827c2ca134cb74ee350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 74.93.196.177 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C9079C.D9E75980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with you. I think the most effective thing that we can do is to = "vote with our feet" or vote with our wings and not attend. D. Brunner ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Matt Reeves=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 4:29 PM Subject: [LML] Cleveland International Airshow and others that won't = allow airplanes to fly-in !!!!!! I don't know about you guys but I am sick and tired of airshows that = will not allow us pilots to FLY-in. Cleveland International Airshow is = coming up this weekend but will NOT allow pilots to fly-in, even if we = have unusual airplanes that draw huge crowds. Airshows (or the idiot politicians who run them who have no aviation = experience) are becoming a nightmare to attend. Cleveland will not = allow aircraft to fly-in stating a lack of space - though I have been = there and see no lack of space. Also, they will not provide any type = of transporation from other local airports so if you want to go, you = walk or rent a car - from 10 miles away - which is stupid. In addition, they will not allow RV's and stated the reason is because = of FAA requlations. Hmmm. I just got back from Oshkosh where 10,000 = RV's were parked - some right next to airplanes!!! NO coolers. Well, what about medical conditions or babies that = require cold items? The reason cited to me was that the inspectors do = not want to have to stick their hands in ice to inspect coolers. WHERE are our FREEDOMS going? How about the family of 6 that wants to = drive in, pull of wagon of chairs and a small cooler for sandwiches MOM = made that don't cost $25 each? NO, they force you to buy their own crap = food and families have to spend $150 just to eat NOT to mention the = price of the ticket - and, oh yeah - what about the NO REFUNDS if it = rains bit? "We're sorry you came to an airshow, gave us all your $$$ = and it rained and you didn't get to see an airshow - that you PAID for, = but screw you cause we're taking your $$$ anyway - oh, and see you next = year!!!" Are we going to let them dictate what we can and cannot do? I, for = one, am getting pissed at the DISCRIMINATION we pilots are getting and = "happily" dealing with just because we sit around and take it saying to = ourselves, this is just the way things are now!!!! Airshows used to be about freedom and families and fun. NOW they are = about how much $$ a town can collect (at $25 a pop) from the = unsuspecting public and rules are dictated to us and we bend over and = take it. Matt Reeves ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C9079C.D9E75980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree with you.  I think the = most effective=20 thing that we can do is to "vote with our feet" or vote with our wings = and not=20 attend.
 
D. Brunner
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Matt=20 Reeves
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 = 4:29=20 PM
Subject: [LML] Cleveland = International=20 Airshow and others that won't allow airplanes to fly-in !!!!!!

I don't know about you guys but I am sick and tired of airshows = that will=20 not allow us pilots to FLY-in.  Cleveland International Airshow = is coming=20 up this weekend but will NOT allow pilots to fly-in, even if we have = unusual=20 airplanes that draw huge crowds.
 
Airshows (or the idiot politicians who run them who have no = aviation=20 experience) are becoming a nightmare to attend.  Cleveland will = not allow=20 aircraft to fly-in stating a lack of space - though I have been there = and see=20 no lack of space.   Also, they will not provide any type of=20 transporation from other local airports so if you want to go, you walk = or rent=20 a car - from 10 miles away - which is stupid.
 
In addition, they will not allow RV's and stated the reason is = because of=20 FAA requlations.   Hmmm.  I just got back from Oshkosh = where=20 10,000 RV's were parked - some right next to airplanes!!!
 
NO coolers.  Well, what about medical conditions or babies = that=20 require cold items?  The reason cited to me was that the = inspectors do=20 not want to have to stick their hands in ice to inspect coolers.
 
WHERE are our FREEDOMS going?  How about the family of 6 = that wants=20 to drive in, pull of wagon of chairs and a small cooler for sandwiches = MOM=20 made that don't cost $25 each?  NO, they force you to buy their = own crap=20 food and families have to spend $150 just to eat NOT to mention the = price of=20 the ticket - and, oh yeah - what about the NO REFUNDS if it rains = bit? =20 "We're sorry you came to an airshow, gave us all your $$$ and it = rained and=20 you didn't get to see an airshow - that you PAID for, but screw you = cause=20 we're taking your $$$ anyway - oh, and see you next year!!!"
 
Are we going to let them dictate what we can and cannot do?  = I, for=20 one, am getting pissed at the DISCRIMINATION we pilots are getting and = "happily" dealing with just because we sit around and take it saying = to=20 ourselves, this is just the way things are now!!!!
 
Airshows used to be about freedom and families and fun.  NOW = they=20 are about how much $$ a town can collect (at $25 a pop) from the = unsuspecting=20 public and rules are dictated to us and we bend over and take = it.
 
Matt Reeves
 

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