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From: Craig Berland <cberland@systems3.net>
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Subject: [LML] Question for Bill Kennedy == thoughts on accidents "Flying slow is not for the uninformed, and maybe not for most"
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:37:54 -0400
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Question for Bill Kennedy == thoughts on accidents "Flying slow is not for the uninformed, and maybe not for most"

Serious question for Bill Kennedy:  What do you consider “slow” say in a IVP?
Len Fox, who first flew N413AJ earlier this year, praised the plane, then told me not to fly it slow.  He said, “Traffic pattern stalls are non-survivable.”  
Pat at HPAT taught me to do downwind at 130 (and 1500 AGL), base at 120, and come over the numbers at 110.  For the time being, I avoid short runways.  Maybe I’ll always avoid short runways.
Are those numbers too high?  Would the group recommend slower? John Hafen


John, the main reason I am responding is I’m interested in responses as well.  I have 30 hrs in a IV-P.  Thus I’m not qualified to give “professional” advise.  A lot of that time was with an HPAT instructor.  One of the best pilots and instructors I have ever had the pleasure to know.  I flew out of Stellar several times a day until HPAT took my toy away. (409L)

I think your numbers are a little fast.  I think 120 downwind, slowing to 90 kts over the numbers.  No 90 deg turns, just a nice big arc from 1500 agl.  I live at Stellar Airpark in Chandler, AZ.  The landing distance is 3900 ft. at 1200 ft elevation.  I usually brake moderately shortly after touchdown, then release and coast to near the end of the runway.  I test the brakes now and then while coasting.  With slight braking at the end, an easy turn off is made.  To me, 3900 ft is a short runway.  110 over the numbers is more like no flaps.  A condition I’m not terribly fond of.  110 kts over the numbers at Stellar would require lots of braking.  If you touched down 10 seconds late at 110 kts, it could get real interesting.  I’m interested in what others have to say.

Craig Berland

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