X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:37:54 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from asp-3.reflexion.net ([205.237.99.178] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with SMTP id 3095113 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:42:57 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.237.99.178; envelope-from=cberland@systems3.net Received: (qmail 339 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2008 21:42:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO asp-3.reflexion.net) (127.0.0.1) by 0 (rfx-qmail) with SMTP; 26 Aug 2008 21:42:20 -0000 Received: by asp-3.reflexion.net (Reflexion email security v5.50.2) with SMTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 301 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2008 21:42:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO systems3.net) (98.172.79.178) by 0 (rfx-qmail) with SMTP; 26 Aug 2008 21:42:20 -0000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C907C4.9DA0CF90" Subject: [LML] Question for Bill Kennedy == thoughts on accidents "Flying slow is not for the uninformed, and maybe not for most" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 X-Original-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:42:18 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <87C33F695961494D886EB3B6C8A47651518B56@s3server.Systems3.local> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [LML] Question for Bill Kennedy == thoughts on accidents "Flying slow is not for the uninformed, and maybe not for most" Thread-Index: AckHuoTvl1IcbxGETwS7DPTs4Kr3VwABhn0g References: From: "Craig Berland" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C907C4.9DA0CF90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Serious question for Bill Kennedy: What do you consider "slow" say in a IVP? Len Fox, who first flew N413AJ earlier this year, praised the plane, then told me not to fly it slow. He said, "Traffic pattern stalls are non-survivable." =20 Pat at HPAT taught me to do downwind at 130 (and 1500 AGL), base at 120, and come over the numbers at 110. For the time being, I avoid short runways. Maybe I'll always avoid short runways. Are those numbers too high? Would the group recommend slower? John Hafen John, the main reason I am responding is I'm interested in responses as well. I have 30 hrs in a IV-P. Thus I'm not qualified to give "professional" advise. A lot of that time was with an HPAT instructor. One of the best pilots and instructors I have ever had the pleasure to know. I flew out of Stellar several times a day until HPAT took my toy away. (409L) I think your numbers are a little fast. I think 120 downwind, slowing to 90 kts over the numbers. No 90 deg turns, just a nice big arc from 1500 agl. I live at Stellar Airpark in Chandler, AZ. The landing distance is 3900 ft. at 1200 ft elevation. I usually brake moderately shortly after touchdown, then release and coast to near the end of the runway. I test the brakes now and then while coasting. With slight braking at the end, an easy turn off is made. To me, 3900 ft is a short runway. 110 over the numbers is more like no flaps. A condition I'm not terribly fond of. 110 kts over the numbers at Stellar would require lots of braking. If you touched down 10 seconds late at 110 kts, it could get real interesting. I'm interested in what others have to say. Craig Berland ------_=_NextPart_001_01C907C4.9DA0CF90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Question for Bill Kennedy =3D=3D thoughts on accidents = "Flying slow is not for the uninformed, and maybe not for most"

Serious question for Bill Kennedy:  What do you consider “slow” say in a IVP?
Len Fox, who first flew N413AJ earlier this year, praised the plane, = then told me not to fly it slow.  He said, “Traffic pattern stalls are non-survivable.”  
Pat at HPAT taught me to do downwind at 130 (and 1500 AGL), base at 120, = and come over the numbers at 110.  For the time being, I avoid short = runways.  Maybe I’ll always avoid short runways.
Are those numbers too high?  Would the group recommend slower? John Hafen


John, the main reason I am responding is I’m interested in responses as = well.  I have 30 hrs in a IV-P.  Thus I’m not qualified to give = “professional” advise.  A lot of that time was with an HPAT instructor.  One = of the best pilots and instructors I have ever had the pleasure to know.  = I flew out of Stellar several times a day until HPAT took my toy away. = (409L)

I think your numbers are a little fast.  I think 120 downwind, slowing to 90 kts over the numbers.  No 90 deg turns, = just a nice big arc from 1500 agl.  I live at Stellar Airpark in Chandler, AZ.  The landing distance is 3900 ft. at 1200 ft elevation.  I usually brake moderately shortly after touchdown, then release and coast = to near the end of the runway.  I test the brakes now and then while = coasting.  With slight braking at the end, an easy turn off is made.  To me, = 3900 ft is a short runway.  110 over the numbers is more like no = flaps.  A condition I’m not terribly fond of.  110 kts over the numbers = at Stellar would require lots of braking.  If you touched down 10 = seconds late at 110 kts, it could get real interesting.  I’m = interested in what others have to say.

Craig Berland

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