X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:50:52 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail.tsnci.com ([65.78.205.250] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTP id 3067627 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 14:15:42 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.78.205.250; envelope-from=WeinsweigD@tsnci.com Received: from TSNC_DOM-MTA by mail.tsnci.com with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:17:59 -0400 X-Original-Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.7 X-Original-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:17:51 -0400 From: "Dr. Weinsweig" X-Original-To: Subject: Re: [LML] Oshkosh Accidents Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i have found that on 2 of my visits to osh the 2nd time last week in my propjet that when i arrived on an ifr flight plan i was vectored straight in to the vor 27 approach and arriving was a nonissue and avoided all the vfr traffic lineup(being "forced" to taxi in the grass on the other hand was a bit disconcerting). in the notam it says to cancel ifr and go in vfr but on the 2 occasions that i flew in on an ifr flight plan(the first time in a bellanca super viking) atc took me straight in ifr. perhaps for those that are able to file ifr this would be worthwhile in our planes. fwiw, david weinsweig n750dw propjet >>> GAMarr@Charter.Net 08/07/2008 3:09 PM >>> It appears that the majority of accidents are a result of stall/spin accidents with arriving traffic. Is it possible that the approach procedures are a little to tight for novice/low proficiency pilots in the very intense approach phase atmosphere? I know the controllers are very anxious to keep the traffic tight to facilitate the arrival flow. I know that I have been told to turn base and expedite my landing and clear the runway for arriving higher speed traffic (P-51). All of our training is based on one runway, one airplane. This may be the first time many pilots are faced with one runway and 1, 2, or 3 airplanes all landing at the same time. Truly, not part of our normal training. I can tell you from my own personnel experience that I am in a very high state of awareness at to what the other airplanes are doing and my concern that someone will not execute the landing properly, so I am always primed for a go-around. Giff Marr