X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:09:35 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta11.charter.net ([216.33.127.80] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTP id 3065653 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:53:15 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.33.127.80; envelope-from=troneill@charter.net Received: from aarprv06.charter.net ([10.20.200.76]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080807135236.ELVP21239.mta11.charter.net@aarprv06.charter.net> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:52:36 -0400 Received: from axs ([75.132.241.174]) by aarprv06.charter.net with SMTP id <20080807135236.PNKW570.aarprv06.charter.net@axs> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:52:36 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <007c01c8f894$d8f21090$6401a8c0@axs> From: "terrence o'neill" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Clearing up some information about the Legacy accident. X-Original-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 08:52:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0079_01C8F86A.EFC97BC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Chzlrs: 0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C8F86A.EFC97BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Angle, angle, push'? In stress, the mind disconnects 'distractions' in the ear. It FOCUSES = ... i.e. the EYES get priority. At 'stress time' an even better system is one that employs eye-hand = info, such as an AOA VANE that is always in the pilot's field of vision, = continually showing angle degrees, not little lights, or (distracting) = sounds. Then he can SEE the AIR, SEE and FEEL the angle of his wing to the relative wind, as he controls the wing's AOA precisely with his hand on the stick, without having to think about it. =20 Habit. The numbers quoted in the referenced new AOA brochure are the same = general range I found after reviewing some 800 fatal accidents, and = published 10 years ago in Kitplanes (12/98) ... roughly a THIRD of all FATAL accidents in Genav are from unintentional = stalls, and almost HALF of all Experimentals' . So, were us supremely confident, macho pilots alarmed by such red flags? = Say what? Has anything changed in the posturing FAA's wordy, unchanged = training-training-training SAFETY programs, and the continued primary = antique emphasis on 'stall speed' for 10 years? NAH! =20 We know safety. We know our plane! We can feel it's approach to stall. And we don't need no stinkin' AOAs that WORK, and are USED. As judge said after sentencing the defendant to death, "And I hope this = teaches you a lesson!". Terrence L235/320 N211AL =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ron Galbraith=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 08:31 PM Subject: [LML] Re: Clearing up some information about the Legacy = accident. Good catch. You want the "angle angle, push", or whatever version of = AOA you have that tells you you are approaching critical angle of = attack. =20 Ron Ron, =20 =20 =20 Why would you want to "pull up" and increase the angle of attack = when you are already close to the stalling AOA? =20 =20 =20 Lynn Farnsworth =20 """" ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C8F86A.EFC97BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
"Angle, angle,=20 push'?
In stress, the mind = disconnects=20 'distractions' in the ear. It FOCUSES ... i.e. the EYES get=20 priority.
 
At 'stress =  time' an=20 even better system is one that employs eye-hand info, such as an AOA = VANE that=20 is always in the pilot's field of vision, continually showing angle = degrees, not=20 little lights, or (distracting) sounds.
Then he can SEE the = AIR,
SEE and = FEEL the angle=20 of his wing to the relative wind,
as he controls = the wing's=20 AOA precisely with his hand on the stick,
without having to = think about=20 it. 
Habit.
 
The numbers quoted = in the=20 referenced new AOA brochure are the same general range I found after = reviewing=20 some 800 fatal accidents, and published 10 years ago in Kitplanes = (12/98)=20 ...
roughly = a THIRD of=20 all FATAL accidents in Genav are from unintentional stalls, and=20 almost HALF of all Experimentals'
.
So, were us = supremely=20 confident, macho pilots alarmed by such red flags?  Say = what?
Has anything = changed in=20 the posturing FAA's wordy, unchanged training-training-training SAFETY = programs,=20 and the continued primary=20 antique emphasis on 'stall speed' for 10 years?
NAH!  =
We know = safety.
We know our = plane!
We can feel it's = approach to=20 stall.
And we don't need = no stinkin'=20 AOAs that WORK, and are USED.
 
As judge said = after=20 sentencing the defendant to death, "And I hope this teaches you a=20 lesson!".
 
Terrence
L235/320 = N211AL
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ron = Galbraith=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, = 2008 08:31=20 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Clearing up = some=20 information about the Legacy accident.


Good catch.   You want the "angle angle, push", or = whatever=20 version of AOA you have that tells you you are approaching critical = angle of=20 attack.  

Ron



 Ron,
 
 
 
 Why=20 would you want to "pull up" and increase the angle of attack when=20 you
 are already close to the stalling=20 AOA?
 
 
 
 Lynn=20 = Farnsworth
 
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