X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:09:35 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta31.charter.net ([216.33.127.82] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTP id 3065864 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:55:09 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.33.127.82; envelope-from=GAMarr@Charter.Net Received: from aarprv06.charter.net ([10.20.200.76]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080807155430.INCA8683.mta31.charter.net@aarprv06.charter.net> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:54:30 -0400 Received: from DB77R351 ([24.178.5.47]) by aarprv06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20080807155429.VZAS570.aarprv06.charter.net@DB77R351> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:54:29 -0400 From: "Giffen Marr" X-Original-To: References: Subject: Oshkosh Accidents X-Original-Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:54:25 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <008001c8f8a5$ddca3cd0$6401a8c0@DB77R351> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0081_01C8F87B.F4F434D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-reply-to: thread-index: Acj4lQYCijtIUjFrTC2iuHSFOhzB9wADBgVg X-Chzlrs: 0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C8F87B.F4F434D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It appears that the majority of accidents are a result of stall/spin accidents with arriving traffic. Is it possible that the approach procedures are a little to tight for novice/low proficiency pilots in the very intense approach phase atmosphere? I know the controllers are very anxious to keep the traffic tight to facilitate the arrival flow. I know that I have been told to turn base and expedite my landing and clear the runway for arriving higher speed traffic (P-51). All of our training is based on one runway, one airplane. This may be the first time many pilots are faced with one runway and 1, 2, or 3 airplanes all landing at the same time. Truly, not part of our normal training. I can tell you from my own personnel experience that I am in a very high state of awareness at to what the other airplanes are doing and my concern that someone will not execute the landing properly, so I am always primed for a go-around. Giff Marr ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C8F87B.F4F434D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It appears that the majority of = accidents are a result of stall/spin accidents with arriving traffic. Is it possible = that the approach procedures are a little to tight for novice/low proficiency = pilots in the very intense approach phase atmosphere? =

 

I know the controllers are very = anxious to keep the traffic tight to facilitate the arrival flow. I know that I = have been told to turn base and expedite my landing and clear the runway for = arriving higher speed traffic (P-51).


All of our training is based on one runway, one airplane. This may be = the first time many pilots are faced with one runway and 1, 2, or 3 airplanes all = landing at the same time. Truly, not part of our normal training. I can tell you = from my own personnel experience that I am in a very high state of awareness = at to what the other airplanes are doing and my concern that someone will not = execute the landing properly, so I am always primed for a = go-around.

 

Giff = Marr

 

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