X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:32:49 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTP id 3063125 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:30:30 -0400 Received: from VTAILJEFF@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id q.cf4.34f3f83f (34923) for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.145]) by cia-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA038-886b4898e295364; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:30:29 -0400 Received: from WEBMAIL-MC03 (webmail-mc03.webmail.aol.com [64.12.170.80]) by smtprly-da02.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA021-5bb24898e289b3; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:30:17 -0400 References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Clearing up some information about the Legacy accident. X-Original-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:30:18 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 75.58.186.34 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CAC56A5ADB74E3_1274_3067_WEBMAIL-MC03.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 38159-STANDARD Received: from 75.58.186.34 by WEBMAIL-MC03.sysops.aol.com (64.12.170.80) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:30:18 -0400 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CAC56A5AD44FA0-1274-1813@WEBMAIL-MC03.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO ----------MB_8CAC56A5ADB74E3_1274_3067_WEBMAIL-MC03.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At what point do "we pilots" recognize and recover? When we are upside down? When we are in a deep stall or when we are 5 knots below our target speed in the pattern? Jeff CFI just like mine would do if I didn't know how to recognize and recover -----Original Message----- From: Bill Kennedy To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:37 pm Subject: [LML] Re: Clearing up some information about the Legacy accident. "...upside down at about 45 degree angle" sure sounds like a full stall with a snap roll, just like mine would do if I didn't know how to recognize and recover from the situation before it turned so bad. What else could do it? To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:41:51 -0400 From: cfi@instructor.net Subject: [LML] Re: Clearing up some information about the Legacy accident. Another article that was circulating said they caught a wing and tumbled on landing.? That just isn't true.? They impacted the ground totally upside down at about 45 degree angle and slid 140'.? The impact zone and debris field was lined up with the runway, so was not a base to final stall spin.? The engine was developing power by the look of the prop blades, all control surfaces were intact and the flaps were fully deployed and appeared to be down the same amount.??The speedbrakes were slightly deployed the same on each wing, but I suppose?that might have been because of the high impact.? The wings were still attached, and actually the entire airframe was basically still together.?? I was?at the?crash site?(with the?NTSB guys) with Joe?just after the accident.? The NTSB will release a preliminary report next week.? ??? ? Ron Galbraith >Geez, there is so much dis-information that gets sprinkled around the net, >it's just amazing. = ----------MB_8CAC56A5ADB74E3_1274_3067_WEBMAIL-MC03.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" At what point do "we pilots" recognize and recover? When we are upside down? When we are in a deep stall or when we are 5 knots below our target speed in the pattern?

Jeff
CFI
just like mine would do if I didn't know how to recognize and recover



-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Kennedy <bill_kennedy_3@hotmail.com>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:37 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: Clearing up some information about the Legacy accident.

"...upside down at about 45 degree angle" sure sounds like a full stall with a snap roll, just like mine would do if I didn't know how to recognize and recover from the situation before it turned so bad. What else could do it?

To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:41:51 -0400
From: cfi@instructor.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Clearing up some information about the Legacy accident.

Another article that was circulating said they caught a wing and tumbled on landing.  That just isn't true.  They impacted the ground totally upside down at about 45 degree angle and slid 140'.  The impact zone and debris field was lined up with the runway, so was not a base to final stall spin.  The engine was developing power by the look of the prop blades, all control surfaces were intact and the flaps were fully deployed and appeared to be down the same amount.  The speedbrakes were slightly deployed the same on each wing, but I suppose that might have been because of the high impact.  The wings were still attached, and actually the entire airframe was basically still together.   I was at the crash site (with the NTSB guys) with Joe just after the accident.  The NTSB will release a preliminary report next week. 
   
 
Ron Galbraith



>Geez, there is so much dis-information that gets sprinkled around the net,
>it's just amazing.


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