X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:10:25 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from gwa2.webcontrolcenter.com ([63.134.207.11] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.5) with ESMTP id 3030420 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:34:10 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=63.134.207.11; envelope-from=dave@aircraftersllc.com Received: from maila3.webcontrolcenter.com (unverified [216.119.106.29]) by gwa2.webcontrolcenter.com (SurgeMail 3.9c) with ESMTP id 97839381-1777422 for multiple; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:33:24 -0700 X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from dsl-63-249-102-25.cruzio.com [63.249.102.25] by maila3.webcontrolcenter.com with SMTP; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:32:48 -0700 From: "Dave Saylor" X-Original-To: , , , "'Lancair Mailing List'" , "'Earl Lawrence'" Subject: 51% Rule X-Original-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 11:33:14 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <003201c8e83b$94ce9460$031ca8c0@GWM350> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AcjoJVSMcYCeruwbSYqzevOOCuEawAADXROw In-Reply-To: <487F69F5.5010306@MyRV10.com> X-Originating-IP: 216.119.106.29 When FAA says minimum 20% fab and minimum 20% assembly, they aren't talking about a 40% rule. In the proposal, the phrase "the amateur builder only fabricates 10 to 20 percent of an aircraft, and assembles 80 to 90 percent" does not refer to the entire aircraft, only the builder's portion. What they mean is that of the 51% you have to build, they want 20% to be either fab or assembly. And not 20% of 51%; if 20% is fabrication, 31% has to be assembly or visa versa. The assignment of 20% vs. 7% or 25.5% or whatever was arbitrary and was one of the things FAA did after the ARC had finished its work. We discussed a minimum amount of fabrication but never got anywhere with it. During the ARC discussions we came up against a wall at almost every meeting trying to define 51%. The industry generally agreed that it should be 51% of the tasks required. FAA would like to see an approximately equal mix of fabrication tasks and assembly tasks, but EAA and the rest of the industry believe that the line is too blurred in many cases to really try to define which is which. For example, when you bond RV-10 door skins together, are you fabricating or assembling? For all-composite planes it gets even trickier. We think it should be left as "tasks". Do a task, get a point. The FAR says "fabricated and assembled", and does not specify a ratio. So I would think that ANY amount of fabrication would be sufficient. EAA is essentially proposing to leave the rule as is but tighten up the documentation and give DARs a standard set of criteria. That should help. But trying to parse how much assembly and how much fabrication will lead to more confusion and more loopholes. It would be helpful if we speak to the FAA as a common voice. EAA should be giving some guidance to its members soon about how to reply to the proposal. If we follow EAA's advice we'll have the most impact. Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com