X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 14:14:50 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com ([209.85.200.174] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.5) with ESMTP id 3024125 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:17:35 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.200.174; envelope-from=tdupuis@gmail.com Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so4609869wfg.25 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:16:55 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=oUnaG+9gsw/r9z2cjHaPaoqReYc0BBSQaGEBGF/+yaHIpaYdgDIIifz61LglozPlHE swe6a/aPzHvsQ9kmf3Wyya/OVH85YcGboJFNL+8tYnBW/hCgdS1J3sFVxm9zDrkYUqg+ KdMkNCTU1CyxUjZ53zk0UBvXrRjXUC6xmVNxQ= Received: by 10.143.6.19 with SMTP id j19mr3907411wfi.330.1215969415352; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:16:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.142.15 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:16:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Message-ID: <51f4d0650807131016u7848a69ey9ab5e26e4b69e98@mail.gmail.com> X-Original-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 13:16:55 -0400 From: "Ted DuPuis" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Accidents In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_33067_25644688.1215969415348" References: ------=_Part_33067_25644688.1215969415348 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I like this approach. We did exactly this yesterday in the Archer, and managed to navigate around thunderstorm cells over Lake Erie easily. Flight was KIPT to KGRR and back. The return flight we were at 11,500, VFR the whole way. ATC was great at working with us both ways to give us updates on where the cells were (to the best of their abilities), which helped us to plan some. Most of what we did was look out the window, though. To see our diversions, check flightaware.com for 3562G. The return flight (KGRR -> KIPT) we effectively did direct with minor diversions, heading dow= n towards Cleveland around Detroit, and then while over Lake Erie going more direct. At 11,500 we were just above the easy stuff, and had great views of the bad stuff. Wonderful pictures. The flight out we had to go pretty far north to get around, but we planned that from the beginning when we took of= f from KERI (our fuel stop). Not a flight in a Lancair, but a safe flight through some conditions that were rough enough that the commercial jets were diverting around. I'd think it to be good advice for anyone regardless of airplane. Thanks for sharing, Charlie. -Ted On 7/12/08, Charlie Kohler wrote: > > > Hi Colyn, > > IMHO the safest approach to summertime towering cumulus is to stay VMC. O= n > top- is best if the air is not electrically charged -- if not able-- go d= own > to 3000 feet-- below the bases (VMC) (check terrain clearance)-- and alwa= ys > be vigilant for lightning and hail on the downwind side-- > yes--stay out of the green (if only to protect your paint). > > And in regards to diversions-- go early when the heading corrections are = 10 > to 20=B0. Not when you're in a box canyon and you need a 90=B0 to a 180= =B0 course > change. You'll notice that large holes and openings from 100 miles out wi= ll > close up by the time you get there. And it would've been better to take t= hat > 20=B0 heading cut to go around the up wind side before you got there. Sav= es > time too. > > > > And > Thanks-- > Charlie K. > *See me on the Web at www.Lancair-IV.com* > ------=_Part_33067_25644688.1215969415348 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I like this approach. We did exactly this yesterday in the Archer= , and managed to navigate around thunderstorm cells over Lake Erie easily. = Flight was KIPT to KGRR and back. The return flight we were at 11,500, VFR = the whole way. ATC was great at working with us both ways to give us update= s on where the cells were (to the best of their abilities), which helped us= to plan some. Most of what we did was look out the window, though.
 
To see our diversions, check flight= aware.com for 3562G. The return flight (KGRR -> KIPT) we effectively= did direct with minor diversions, heading down towards Cleveland around De= troit, and then while over Lake Erie going more direct. At 11,500 we were j= ust above the easy stuff, and had great views of the bad stuff. Wonderful p= ictures. The flight out we had to go pretty far north to get around, but we= planned that from the beginning when we took off from KERI (our fuel stop)= .
 
Not a flight in a Lancair, but a safe flight through some conditi= ons that were rough enough that the commercial jets were diverting around. = I'd think it to be good advice for anyone regardless of airplane. Thank= s for sharing, Charlie.
 
-Ted

 
On 7/12/08, = Charlie Kohler <charlieko= hler@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Hi Colyn,

IMHO the safest approach to summertime towering cumulus is to stay VMC. = On top- is best if the air is not electrically charged -- if not able-- go = down to 3000 feet-- below the bases (VMC) (check terrain clearance)-- and a= lways be vigilant for lightning and hail on the downwind side--
yes--stay out of the green (if only to protect your paint).

And in regards to diversions-- go early when the heading corrections are= 10 to 20=B0. Not when you're in a box canyon and you need a 90=B0 to a= 180=B0 course change. You'll notice that large holes and openings from= 100 miles out will close up by the time you get there. And it would've= been better to take that 20=B0 heading cut to go around the up wind side b= efore you got there. Saves time too.

 

And 

 Thanks--
Charlie K.
www.Lancair-IV.com
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