X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:37:50 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.62] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2978582 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:20:25 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.62; envelope-from=douglasbrunner@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=SsCp3GrwInfawfbB93B/YhBL+776xQYvymUII13NyN+c3Uxha8aAZpcFJGsASXQF; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [74.93.196.177] (helo=DougsLaptop) by elasmtp-dupuy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KABQs-00022m-MT for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:19:42 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <11E5491C94F44266AE1F4ADB659DDD31@DougsLaptop> From: "Douglas Brunner" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Traffic Systems X-Original-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:18:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C8D3CB.34204110" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 X-ELNK-Trace: ad85a799c4f5de37c2eb1477c196d22294f5150ab1c16ac08868399773331e309993d6c4d0cb5636a08791eb95224306350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 74.93.196.177 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C8D3CB.34204110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I always use my transponder - not only do I want to see, but I also want = to be seen. Legacys are not very big or easily seen. I usually fly = instruments and I can't tell you how many times I have heard from other = planes after a traffic call out: "no I can't see him, but I have him on = TCAS". =20 If I had my transponder off, it would be much harder for the other plane = (that had traffic) to see me. I would be cutting down my chances to = avoid a collision by 1/2 (Actually, more than that since I don't have = traffic in my plane) On another, but related topic - does anyone have recent information on = ADS-B. When I built my plane, I decided to put in weather, but not to = invest in traffic. Supposedly, ADS-B stations are getting installed = across the country over the next couple of years and also supposedly the = price of an ADS-B receiver will come down. If I could get an ADS-B = receiver for a reasonable price (less than the $9,000 they sell for now) = and it gave me both traffic and weather it would be great. I understand that AOPA has opposed the most recent FAA plan for ADS-B = because some of the premium weather services (winds aloft, etc.) won't = be included for free. Still, if I could get basic weather (mostly = worried about thunderstorms) and traffic for free I would go for it. D. Brunner ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kyrilian Dyer=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 5:45 PM Subject: [LML] Re: Traffic Systems Yes, but not everywhere. Note that the part you quoted = references 91.215 (b), which lists all the airspace that requires use of = a transponder (i.e. in class A, B and C airspace, within 30 nm of most = class B airports, above 10,000 ft MSL, etc). Part (c) doesn't apply = outside the airspace listed in (b) though. --- On Fri, 6/20/08, VTAILJEFF@aol.com = wrote: From: VTAILJEFF@aol.com Subject: [LML] Re: Traffic Systems To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 4:42 PM If it is installed, it is supposed to be "on" according to FAR = 91.215 (c)=20 (c) Transponder-on operation. While in the airspace as = specified in paragraph (b) of this section or in all controlled = airspace, each person operating an aircraft equipped with an operable = ATC transponder maintained in accordance with =A791.413 of this part = shall operate the transponder, including Mode C equipment if installed, = and shall reply on the appropriate code or as assigned by ATC. Jeff In a message dated 6/19/2008 1:17:09 P.M. Central Daylight = Time, airmale4@yahoo.com writes: My biggest complaint is (flying the L3 since 2002) = frequently intruders don't have their transponder on. When I can get = them frequently on unicom and ask they say it is not necessary out side = of the 30 mile Vail. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for = fuel-efficient used cars.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C8D3CB.34204110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I always use my transponder - not = only do I=20 want to see, but I also want to be seen.  = Legacys=20 are not very big or easily seen.  I usually fly instruments and I = can't=20 tell you how many times I have heard from other planes after a = traffic call=20 out: "no I can't see him, but I have him on TCAS".  =
 
If I had my transponder off, it would = be much=20 harder for the other plane (that had traffic) to see me.  I = would be=20 cutting down my chances to avoid a collision by 1/2 (Actually, more than = that=20 since I don't have traffic in my plane)
 
On another, but related topic - does = anyone=20 have recent information on ADS-B.  When I built my plane, I = decided to=20 put in weather, but not to invest in traffic.  Supposedly, ADS-B = stations=20 are getting installed across the country over the next couple = of years=20 and also supposedly the price of an ADS-B receiver will come down.  = If I=20 could get an ADS-B receiver for a reasonable price (less than the $9,000 = they=20 sell for now) and it gave me both traffic and weather it would be=20 great.
 
I understand that AOPA has opposed the = most recent=20 FAA plan for ADS-B because some of the premium weather services (winds = aloft,=20 etc.) won't be included for free.  Still, if I could get basic = weather=20 (mostly worried about thunderstorms) and traffic for free I would go for = it.
 
D. Brunner
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kyrilian=20 Dyer
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 = 5:45=20 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Traffic = Systems

Yes, but not everywhere.  Note that the part = you=20 quoted references 91.215 (b), which lists all the airspace that = requires=20 use of a transponder (i.e. in class A, B and C airspace, within = 30 nm of=20 most class B airports, above 10,000 ft MSL, etc).  Part (c) = doesn't=20 apply outside the airspace listed in (b) though.

--- On = Fri,=20 6/20/08, VTAILJEFF@aol.com <VTAILJEFF@aol.com>=20 wrote:
From:=20 VTAILJEFF@aol.com <VTAILJEFF@aol.com>
Subject: [LML] = Re:=20 Traffic Systems
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Friday, = June 20,=20 2008, 4:42 PM

If it is installed, it is supposed to be "on" according = to FAR=20 91.215 (c)
 
(c) Transponder-on operation. While in the = airspace as=20 specified in paragraph (b) of this section or in all = controlled=20 airspace, each person operating an aircraft equipped with an = operable=20 ATC transponder maintained in accordance with =A791.413 of this part shall = operate the=20 transponder, including Mode C equipment if installed, and = shall reply=20 on the appropriate code or as assigned by ATC.
 
Jeff
 
In a message dated 6/19/2008 1:17:09 P.M. Central = Daylight Time,=20 airmale4@yahoo.com writes:
My biggest complaint is (flying the L3 since 2002) = frequently=20 intruders don't have their transponder on. When I can get = them=20 frequently on unicom and ask they say it is not necessary = out side=20 of the 30 mile = Vail.



Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for = fuel-efficient used=20 = cars.

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