X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:48:50 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.166] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2931952 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 21 May 2008 09:51:22 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.54.246.166; envelope-from=bill_kennedy_3@hotmail.com Received: from BAY128-W2 ([65.55.133.37]) by bay0-omc2-s30.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 21 May 2008 06:50:40 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: bill_kennedy_3@hotmail.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_ed40ded1-04d7-481a-b6e6-e41134918877_" X-Originating-IP: [71.111.143.173] From: Bill Kennedy X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Turn back to the Airport after engine failure X-Original-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 06:50:40 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 May 2008 13:50:40.0994 (UTC) FILETIME=[A841A420:01C8BB49] --_ed40ded1-04d7-481a-b6e6-e41134918877_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In practice, it has worked out to be not more than 210 degrees followed by = a 30 degree reversal. The stronger the cross wind, the less turning beyond = 180 degrees. So it's about 240 degrees or less and takes just over 400 feet= of vertical in my LNC2 at 100-105 KIAS. Bank angle counts. The tighter the= turn, the less turn, but it gets pretty hairy as you get tighter. One of t= he participants in this thread said 45 degrees of bank was optimum. I think= that may be shy by about 15 degrees, but don't know for sure. Also a facto= r, almost every airport I fly out of has taxiways or grass parallel to the = runway giving some pretty nice alternatives to the runway you departed from= . =20 The biggest negative at the airport I fly out of would be getting back to t= he runway after making the turn. With my 3200 runway, it would be iffy. I h= ave a 160 hp with fixed pitch prop. It climbs okay but doesn't reach 500 AG= L until it's beyond the end of the runway, maybe a little too far. > To: lml@lancaironline.net> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 00:53:44 -0400> From: m= alannx@bigpond.com> Subject: [LML] Re: Turn back to the Airport after engin= e failure> > Not being a Lancair pilot, but no one seems to have mentioned = a return to > the runway can require almost a 360 degrees of turning depend= ing on how far > you are out, ie. almost 270 one way then a 90 the other to= line up with the > runway. Try nosing over below your required glide speed= and see how much > height and time is required to regain it.> If low: "Lan= d ahead to the hospital, turn back to the grave yard"> > Malcolm > > > --> = For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html= --_ed40ded1-04d7-481a-b6e6-e41134918877_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In practice, it has worked out to be not mor= e than 210 degrees followed by a 30 degree reversal. The stronger the = cross wind, the less turning beyond 180 degrees. So it's about 240 degrees = or less and takes just over 400 feet of vertical in my LNC2 at 10= 0-105 KIAS. Bank angle counts. The tighter the turn, the less turn, but it = gets pretty hairy as you get tighter. One of the participants in this threa= d said 45 degrees of bank was optimum. I think that may be shy by about 15 = degrees, but don't know for sure. Also a factor, almost every airport I fly= out of has taxiways or grass parallel to the runway giving some pretty nic= e alternatives to the runway you departed from.
 
The biggest negative at the airport I fly out of would be getting back to t= he runway after making the turn. With my 3200 runway, it would be iffy. I h= ave a 160 hp with fixed pitch prop. It climbs okay but doesn't reach 500 AG= L until it's beyond the end of the runway, maybe a little too far.

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> To: lml@lancaironline.net
> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 00:53:44 -040= 0
> From: malannx@bigpond.com
> Subject: [LML] Re: Turn back to= the Airport after engine failure
>
> Not being a Lancair pilo= t, but no one seems to have mentioned a return to
> the runway can r= equire almost a 360 degrees of turning depending on how far
> you ar= e out, ie. almost 270 one way then a 90 the other to line up with the
&= gt; runway. Try nosing over below your required glide speed and see how muc= h
> height and time is required to regain it.
> If low: "Land = ahead to the hospital, turn back to the grave yard"
>
> Malcol= m
>
>
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