X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 19:51:28 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mis005-1.exch005intermedia.net ([64.78.61.124] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTP id 2929343 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 19 May 2008 15:33:01 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.78.61.124; envelope-from=johnwcox@pacificnw.com Received: from ehost005-2.exch005intermedia.net ([64.78.21.103]) by mis005-1.exch005intermedia.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 19 May 2008 12:32:23 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8B9E7.0F42C2BF" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Turn back to the Airport after engine failure X-Original-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 12:32:22 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: Turn back to the Airport after engine failure Thread-Index: Aci53qV/ED22Fm+ORDGbyqcrlt/HvwACAC6A References: From: "John Cox" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Original-Return-Path: johnwcox@pacificnw.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 May 2008 19:32:23.0708 (UTC) FILETIME=[100005C0:01C8B9E7] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8B9E7.0F42C2BF Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Shannon K. tried to save his Baby, passing several appropriate airport after departure from OSH '05. Lots of dialog passed. I wish Shannon was still with us as well as his beautiful baby. =20 My instruction was, "prop stops, oil drops, fire or flame don't blame". It is already the insurance company's possession. Your job is get down quickly and safely to complete the insurance paperwork. =20 John Cox Oregon =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of MikeEasley@aol.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 11:31 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Turn back to the Airport after engine failure =20 Since I fly and ES, I have a somewhat less challenging situation on an engine out shortly after takeoff. Even still, I have a 1,000 agl "straight ahead rule". That number was arrived at with input from my HPAT instructor, my own skill level and training frequency. I just don't think I could respond in a real emergency and get turned around in anything less that 1,000 agl. =20 Another factor that I would like to hear some comments from the group on is what I call the "my baby factor". My primary flight instructor taught me that after an engine failure, the airplane belongs to the insurance company, save your own butt! That's easier with a 182 that gets totaled in an off-airport landing. But it's not that simple with our own blood, sweat and tears. I think some Lancair pilots have met their maker trying to save "their baby". =20 Mike Easley Colorado Springs ________________________________ Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food . ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8B9E7.0F42C2BF Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Shannon K. tried to save his Baby, passing several = appropriate airport after departure from OSH '05. Lots of dialog passed. = I wish Shannon was still with us as well as his beautiful = baby.

My instruction was, "prop stops, oil drops, fire or = flame don't blame". It is already the insurance company’s = possession. Your job is get down quickly and safely to complete the insurance = paperwork.

John Cox

Oregon

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = MikeEasley@aol.com
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 11:31 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Turn back to the Airport after engine = failure

Since I fly and ES, I have = a somewhat less challenging situation on an engine out shortly after takeoff. Even still, I have a 1,000 agl "straight ahead rule". That number was arrived at with input from my HPAT instructor, my own skill level and training frequency. I just = don't think I could respond in a real emergency and get turned around in anything = less that 1,000 agl.

Another factor that I = would like to hear some comments from the group on is what I call the "my baby factor". My primary flight instructor taught me that after an = engine failure, the airplane belongs to the insurance company, save your own butt! That's easier with a 182 that gets totaled in an off-airport landing. But it's not that simple with our own blood, sweat and tears. I think some Lancair pilots have met their maker = trying to save "their baby".

Mike = Easley

Colorado = Springs

Wondering what's for = Dinner Tonight? = Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food.

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