X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:17:53 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail.stoel.com ([198.36.178.142] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.0) with SMTP id 2778307 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:50:29 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=198.36.178.142; envelope-from=JJHALLE@stoel.com Received: from gateway1.stoel.com ([198.36.178.141]) by mail.stoel.com (SMSSMTP 4.1.9.35) with SMTP id M2008030507494917840 for ; Wed, 05 Mar 2008 07:49:49 -0800 Received: from PDX-SMTP.stoel.com (unknown [172.16.103.137]) by gateway1.stoel.com (Firewall Mailer Daemon) with ESMTP id 2381CAF05C for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2008 07:51:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from PDX-MX6.stoel.com ([172.16.103.64]) by PDX-SMTP.stoel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 5 Mar 2008 07:47:15 -0800 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Recovery from wheel off runway X-Original-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 07:47:14 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: <17E9FE5945A57A41B4D8C07737DB607208444A81@PDX-MX6.stoel.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Recovery from wheel off runway Thread-Index: Ach+r9FTINJZcLOKT6OM2FWZoW/qNQAJxaSg References: From: "Halle, John" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2008 15:47:15.0445 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F776A50:01C87ED8] Mike wrote: =20 "The only "take home" safety message that I'm processing is the report = that the Velocity got one wheel off the runway in the = grass/dirt/mud/sand. One report stated that the Velocity pilot added = power to go around. I'm not sure which occurred first, adding power, or = getting a wheel off the runway. But if he had a wheel off the runway = and added power, it sounds very similar to the Grant Bailey IVP fatal = accident. I'm curious to hear from the Lancair gurus on what they = recommend when a landing goes bad and a wheel leaves the pavement. I'm = not so sure adding power is a good thing." =20 I think it unfortunately depends completely on the circumstances. I was = a passenger in a 320 that got a wheel in the gravel at Sisters, OR. The = pilot added full power and we went around without further incident. I = am pretty sure that there would have been a pretty ugly crash if he had = tried to continue the landing. On the other hand, the ground was dry = and there was not a huge dip from the pavement to the gravel. There = were also trees lining the runway close and some pretty ugly ground in = between. With smooth grass and taxiways (unencumbered with other = airplanes) and the wheel getting pretty badly hung up in whatever it got = into, I might elect to slide home. Also depends if you are off left (in = which case torque will compound the problem) or right (in which case it = will help solve it.) Problem is, you have nanoseconds to decide. =20