Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #46380
From: Bill Wade <super_chipmunk@roadrunner.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Florida experimental accident
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2008 09:23:20 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
  There's not much that could be said without more details. I had one of the first Velocity retracts and there have since been many new model iterations and changes to the brake systems.
 
 In general though the Velocity was designed with a relatively weak nose gear. The intent was to drop the nose to raise and protect the prop and engine, also creating drag to slow the aircraft by grinding the fuselage. I haven't been involved with Velocities for a number of years but there were several accidents where the arrangement worked well, stopping the plane and protecting the occupants with only minor damage.
 
  Another factor is that the nose wheel is fully castoring so that lateral control is completely a matter of differential braking. If the ground was soft clay or sand a wheel off the runway could whip the nose sideways off the runway instantly. The nose gear would then collapse, and as this happened at high speed, perhaps the nose simply dug in.
 
  Adding power to a canard would aggravate the problem as the thrust is aft of CG, pushing rather than pulling.
 
    -Bill Wade
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Casey
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 1:28 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Florida experimental accident

I've heard of this type of accident before - once was with a IVP.  The pilot apparently landed, got a wheel off the paving onto soft (softer at least) ground and then elected to add power.  None of our engines are probably powerful enough to overcome the drag of a wheel on soft ground, but I would certainly think that the drag of a locked wheel on paving is enough to overcome most any yaw moment due to the soft ground.  The lesson I can think of is that this is one time where fast reflexes and decisive action counts.  A really hard application of differential braking would possibly save the day.  Application of power might only increase the speed of the crash.  Go-rounds after the plane is on the ground don't generally seem to be a good idea.  but what caused the tumbling?  A collapsed nose gear combined with a tall, short wheelbase gear layout?  If the nose gear collapsed the canard would increase the downforce on the nose, while the tail of a conventional plane would decrease it.

Gary Casey


From: "Douglas Brunner" <douglasbrunner@earthlink.net>

Tragic accident, not sure what "take home" safety message is - if any. 

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