X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:13:47 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.61] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.0) with ESMTP id 2758598 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:51:58 -0500 Received-SPF: neutral receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.61; envelope-from=mnewman@dragonnorth.com Received: from [70.91.142.49] (helo=PCMIKE3) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1JU4tb-0006b6-KU for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:51:19 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Michael Newman" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: 51% rule X-Original-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:50:54 -0500 Organization: Dragonnorth Group X-Original-Message-ID: <006f01c878a8$848533a0$8d8f9ae0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: Ach4ZxPYwYXwJO1uQWOWld7FxWoduQAPM/lw Content-Language: en-us X-ELNK-Trace: 4981850a937e3365551c28c27865cf0a239a348a220c26090dac55c1e7092baca043397acf78995493caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 70.91.142.49 I see a different issue: Who is the builder. We have liberal and permissive rules for licensing an aircraft that people build for their own education or recreation. These rules are also permissive on how the plane can be used. The rule says: (g) Operating amateur built aircraft. Operating an aircraft the major portion of which has been fabricated and assembled by persons who undertook the construction project solely for their own education or recreation. We have other rules for licensing an aircraft that was build for some other purpose. Those rules include certification rules for manufacture and sale and rules for several purposes in the experimental category (R&D, Showing compliance, Crew training, Exhibition, Air Racing, Market Surveys, and certified kits. As I see it what is done at Epic and other professional build operations is not so much a violation of the 51% rule but a violation of who is the builder under that rule. The rule doesn't really say that you cannot make a profit while getting educated and recreating. On the other hand being in serial production this way could be taken as a violation. There could be a person (or persons) at Epic who qualifies as the builder and those persons could license the plane under the amateur built rules. Having a purchaser who does little or no work sign off as such a builder is a flagrant violation and should be grounds for refusing to license the aircraft in this category. I personally would apply the following liberal standard (which I think would clean up the problem): If a person was physically present while the bulk of the work was done even if his presence was limited to cheering on those who actually hammered and sawed then he qualifies as a participant and could be treated as the builder. If the work he was present for meets the 51% rule than he can license the plane under these rules.