X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:46:18 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.56] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.0) with ESMTP id 2733139 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:04:59 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.62.56; envelope-from=billcall3@comcast.net Received: from OMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.43]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qRrm1Y0030vyq2s5604a00; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 03:03:59 +0000 Received: from BillPC ([76.126.21.92]) by OMTA05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id qT4H1Y0011zCNM03R00000; Sun, 17 Feb 2008 03:04:18 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=vebgYJQRU7EMFSUYzDgA:9 a=yrfchXcCbB4Qb1_AAlIA:7 a=FK9epyWKbWyV6FEEzSzhLQaWv24A:4 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=ftFGBYpk1mUA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=vNGxQsTWjH8A:10 a=J6Dx4Iw2AAAA:8 a=mk8ZriodkrCj95hVmOAA:9 a=stVOY3J4Is9KFPR6th8A:7 a=k6wROK2q11L3dUcUobg2Gtr4nGUA:4 a=djSSOgbfo6cA:10 a=VQWZxD7wvt0A:10 a=DFZ4TeuG6JwA:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=X9G59nnBgI0Qb0fZNx0A:9 a=h0k45glIAIEZM5Ba4gQA:7 a=w99BJPyuVuC09qRyZdpP3rCbN0UA:4 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=nzsYJDvBqywA:10 a=UAzMSSQffTRYIxy5klUA:9 a=2BuXIRmxJnY5YPo1Wr0A:7 a=T3Q9tuTuc3fUKEsWiYKqhqYFlhgA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=upV8V5EbVDoA:10 a=8VuP799EO6UA:10 a=lONf9amQ8hqj-O3I4HQA:9 a=7Y2B5XskoJSE1C2vuKcA:7 a=9APNG35ESI0Y57Jmys7y0DIQkhUA:4 a=YvHz1V-JAAAA:8 a=lT6h65w8AAAA:8 a=zgoF7pclhQIt2P_a9wwA:9 a=3QP9-Gvi0-r2vDXjImsA:7 a=B0p4dCbpXs1_Na_Pd5uvphFFX48A:4 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=veAbD-DtuuE588MgIt8A:9 a=nIvea4Dfd4E7Ct03exgA:7 a=f9GAT5vNbHtxTt84vMHEpqC3Vx4A:4 a=mKYC-yUeAAAA:8 a=QQpdl51-eMqYtC0QIgIA:9 a=BLebCzy_L5Fn50HJRC1yqZt3fxgA:4 a=QRVrENZt6tH9NPTiwpsA:9 a=VvNjNYfwSdpSHE4nwWEA:7 a=XPRwm7CybYB7Nc-2HweP2syIiI0A:4 a=i839UVxvAAAA:8 a=fKXJi82LbyIPRlybENAA:9 a=vk_2o5iF_kN4HwHutG4A:7 a=vEUibKId8VjSmbUa_rk3PeEptzIA:4 X-Original-Message-ID: <1EA2EF9284BD4C4E8BDD653B4AEADCF8@BillPC> From: "Bill Call" X-Original-To: Subject: Fw: lml Digest #2259 X-Original-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:04:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C870CE.B367FE50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C870CE.B367FE50 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marv, Steve asked me to forward this to you. BTW, Happy New Year! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lancair Mailing List" Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 3:00 AM Subject: lml Digest #2259 > Lancair Mailing List Digest #2259 > > 1) Re: Cold Induction > by "Randy" > 2) Re: Cold Induction > by "Randy" > 3) Cold Induction > by "Randy" > 4) LNC-2 past 200k > by "Paul Lipps" > 5) Re: Lamb Tyres > by Lorn H Olsen > 6) Re: LNC-2 past 200k > by Chris Zavatson > 7) Cold Induction Treatment of Friends > by > 8) Re: LNC-2 past 200k > by "Randy" > 9) Re: Cold Induction Treatment of Friends > by "Randy" > > This digest is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > For archives and help click http://lancaironline.net/Lists/lml/ > LML website: http://www.lancaironline.net/maillist.html > ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C870CE.B367FE50 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; name="Re_ [LML] Re_ Cold Induction.txt"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Re_ [LML] Re_ Cold Induction.txt" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:58:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Randy" Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Cold Induction Content-Type: text/plain; format=3Dflowed; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"; reply-type=3Dresponse Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I live in southern California... Not a real need for a heat muff. = If I=20 open the warm air vent I get enough to warm the cockpit. Randy Stuart LNC-2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Lorn H Olsen" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:08 AM Subject: [LML] Re: Cold Induction > Randy, > > Where is the cabin heat exchanger? > > Lorn > > From: "Randy" > Date: February 12, 2008 7:44:48 AM GMT-05:00 > . > . > http://members.dslextreme.com/users/netconn/Cold_Induction/ > . > . > -- > Lorn H. 'Feathers' Olsen, MAA, ASMEL, ASES, Comm, Inst > DynaComm, Corp., 248-345-0500, mailto:lorn@dynacomm.us > LNC2, FB90/92, O-320-D1F, 1,300 hrs, N31161, Y47, SE Michigan > > > > > -- > For archives and unsub=20 > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C870CE.B367FE50 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; name="Re_ [LML] Re_ Cold Induction.txt"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Re_ [LML] Re_ Cold Induction.txt" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:58:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Randy" Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Cold Induction Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01C86E68.07C2F310" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C86E68.07C2F310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do I hear a challenge?? I haven't been beaten yet by any 320/360 LNC-2. = ;) We did have an LNC-2 that we stuffed a IO-360 angle valve 200 HP and = added all the tricks. It was faster, but only by a few knots. It crashed = last year, sorry to say.=20 But as you can see by your own numbers, you've hit the 200 knot wall. On = the angle valve engine LNC-2 we had on the field, it was at least a good = 40 HP over the parallel valve LNC-2's here. It was only 5 knots faster = on a good day then the others. It climbed better and burned more fuel = better but still had to push past the 200 knot wall. We also have a 320 = powered LNC-2 ( won Oshkosh Bronze 2006 ) and it easily hits 200 knots = but it's straight, light, has all the tricks and rigged right.=20 Like I was saying before, there's more to getting these planes to go = faster then just horse power. Every airframe design has a power to drag = limit just ask any designer. If that wasn't true then a LEG would go = twice as fast because it has twice as much horse power and an LNC-2. = LEG is only 30 knots faster with 400 HP. Randy Stuart LNC-2=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sky2high@aol.com=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: [LML] Re: Cold Induction Randy, et al, I found that there is no wall except from power applied after drag has = been addressed (uh, maybe flutter is the limit). I file for 194 KTAS. = I see 176-181 KIAS at 5000 to 8000 MSL at or near 25 squared. But, the = real test is to race from point to point and have somebody else time the = whole durn thing. 2002 Sun 100, 202.2 Knots. As close to sea level as I'll ever get. 2003 Air Venture Cup from Kitty Hawk -> Dayton -> Fond du Lac, 191.4 = Knots. OK, not so good 'cause of the wind, weather, 6000' = mini-mountains and a 6 Knot bug penalty in Illinois (845 NM, 2 days). = Hah, after Illinois the dirtied-canard planes couldn't slow down for = fear of falling out of the sky. Beat all kinds of higher powered = planes. 2004 AVC Dayton -> Fond du Lac, 205.4 Knots (385 NM, smooth air at = 2100 MSL). 2006 AVC Dayton -> Fond du Lac, 202.3 Knots. Beat a turbo charged = 360. Or, at the final Lancair 100, September 2006 in Redmond (3000 MSL Top = Gun terrain), "they" measured me at 210+ Knots. I beat scads of 360's = 'cept for Chris Zavatson. Not bad for a 9:1 injected 320, EI, ram air and some other itty bitty = adjustments, more added each year after 2002. Wanna race? Scott Krueger AKA Grayhawk Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96 Aurora, IL (KARR) Pilot not TSO'd, Certificated score only > 70%. =20 In a message dated 2/13/2008 12:09:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, = randystuart@hotmail.com writes: It's hard to get your LNC-2 past 200 kts., that seems to be the wall = on the design for these rockets. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL = Music takes you there. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C86E68.07C2F310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Do I hear a = challenge?? I=20 haven't been beaten yet by any 320/360 LNC-2. = ;)
We did have an = LNC-2 that we=20 stuffed a IO-360 angle valve 200 HP and added all the tricks. It was = faster, but=20 only by a few knots. It crashed last year, sorry to say.=20
But as you can see = by your own=20 numbers, you've hit the 200 knot wall. On the angle valve engine LNC-2 = we had on=20 the field, it was at least a good 40 HP over the parallel valve LNC-2's = here. It=20 was only 5 knots faster on a good day then the others. It climbed better = and=20 burned more fuel better but still had to push past the 200 knot wall. We = also=20 have a 320 powered LNC-2 ( won Oshkosh Bronze 2006 ) and it easily = hits 200=20 knots but it's straight, light, has all the tricks and rigged right.=20
Like I was saying = before,=20 there's more to getting these planes to go faster then just horse power. = Every=20 airframe design has a power to drag limit just ask any designer. If that = wasn't=20 true then a LEG would go twice as fast because it has twice as much = horse power=20 and an LNC-2.  LEG is only 30 knots faster with=20 400 HP.
 
Randy=20 Stuart
LNC-2 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Sky2high@aol.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, = 2008 4:00=20 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Cold = Induction

Randy, et al,
 
I found that there is no wall except from power applied after = drag has=20 been addressed (uh, maybe flutter is the limit).  I file for 194=20 KTAS.  I see 176-181 KIAS at 5000 to 8000 MSL at or near 25=20 squared.  But, the real test is to race from point to point and = have=20 somebody else time the whole durn thing.
 
2002 Sun 100, 202.2 Knots.  As close to sea level as I'll = ever=20 get.
 
2003 Air Venture Cup from Kitty Hawk -> Dayton -> Fond du = Lac,=20 191.4 Knots.  OK, not so good 'cause of the wind, weather, 6000'=20 mini-mountains and a 6 Knot bug penalty in Illinois (845 NM, 2=20 days).  Hah, after Illinois the dirtied-canard planes couldn't = slow down=20 for fear of falling out of the sky.  Beat all kinds of higher = powered=20 planes.
 
2004 AVC Dayton -> Fond du Lac, 205.4 Knots (385 NM, smooth = air at=20 2100 MSL).
 
2006 AVC Dayton -> Fond du Lac, 202.3 Knots.  Beat a = turbo=20 charged 360.
 
Or, at the final Lancair 100, September 2006 in = Redmond=20 (3000 MSL Top Gun terrain), "they" measured me at 210+ Knots.  I = beat=20 scads of 360's 'cept for Chris Zavatson.
 
Not bad for a 9:1 injected 320, EI, ram air and some = other itty=20 bitty adjustments, more added each year after 2002.
 
Wanna race?
 
Scott=20 Krueger AKA Grayhawk
Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96
Aurora, IL=20 (KARR)

Pilot not TSO'd, Certificated score only >=20 70%.
 
 
In a message dated 2/13/2008 12:09:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, = randystuart@hotmail.com writes:
It's hard = to get your=20 LNC-2 past 200 kts., that seems to be the wall on the design for = these=20 = rockets.


The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you=20 there.
------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C86E68.07C2F310-- ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C870CE.B367FE50 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; name="Cold Induction.txt"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Cold Induction.txt" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:58:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Randy" Subject: Cold Induction Content-Type: text/plain; format=3Dflowed; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"; reply-type=3Dresponse Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Clark, Every Lancair is a little different, some are much faster then others. I = can=20 only assume that it has to do with the building, rigging, weight, wing,=20 engine mods and even pilot technique. This cold air induction is sure not for everyone and I'm not trying to=20 recommend anyone doing all this work, but it is an option for Lancair = owners=20 to try something new and looking for a little edge or someone building a = new=20 engine. In my case I wanted to remove the whole bottom of my cowling. It was way = to=20 big and heavy from allot of very bad repairs from a previous owner. This = was=20 my accuse to do this and I wound up getting involved with ECI at Oshkosh = on=20 this project. I'm glad I did it and I'm very happy with all the benefits = I've gained. But to me this Lancair is about experimenting, learning and = having a blast doing it. What other aircraft can you get so much for so=20 little? To answer you question about leaning, I usually run my EGT's at 1380 = degs.=20 They are very balanced at these temps. All my probes are at 3 1/2" from = the=20 port and I've moved the injectors around ( and some others ) to get = these=20 temps. I rarely fly at high altitudes unless I'm going cross country. My = fuel burn at a 200 knot + cruise is around 9 to 11 gph. Pulling back it = will=20 go into the 7's, WOT at sea level (31 MAP's 2700 RPM ) I see as much as = 16=20 gph. I don't like saving a dollar to burn up cylinders. That's just me. = I'm=20 not a lean of peak kind of pilot. One trick is put a small aluminum plate in front of the #1 injector so = the=20 air pressure from the left cooling inlet doesn't force more pressure in = the=20 injector aerator, the other three do not have this problem. Randy Stuart LNC-2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Clark Baker To: randystuart@hotmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [LML] Cold Induction HI Randy, Thanks for the color. I didn't mean to imply anything; just wanted to = add=20 my experience. Great to see you have those kind of speeds. I am 1,250 = and=20 have the MT 3 blade prop, so that is likely 5kts there. Also, hate to = see=20 people part with ~$4,000 and be dissapointed if they didn't see +10kts. It is always iteresting to see what others are up to. Do you run lean = of=20 peak and how balance are your injectors (ie, what is the gph spread from = first to peak to last to peak)? Clark On Feb 13, 2008 1:08 PM, Randy wrote: It's hard to get your LNC-2 past 200 kts., that seems to be the wall = on=20 the design for these rockets. There's about a dozen of these Lancair's = in my=20 area so it's easy to compare data from one build to another. Getting = past=20 the 200 kt barrier is the hard part. Adding HP is exponential, takes = allot=20 of ponies to get a few more knots. So you have to look elsewhere to get=20 speed. Weight, straight airframe, rigging, drag. This includes cooling = drag,=20 flap reflex, balance, just to name a few. And since everyone of our=20 Lancair's are different there's no real hard data and set ways to build. = You just have to ask and experiment... That's the whole point. My LNC-2 is on the lighter side, about 1150, and I have small = cooling=20 inlets, flap reflex, direct RAM air, electronic ignition, small wing = tips,=20 small landing gear, small tail. When I do my flight testing I'm using a=20 calibrated Micro Encoder for TAS, CAS, DA and a Garmin 430W to get = accurate=20 ground speeds and winds aloft. I also use a VM-1000 for all my engine=20 monitoring. As I said in my posting about installing the ECI cold induction = system,=20 I did do more then just add the cold induction. It certainly makes HP = and a=20 better performing engine, no doubt..... But it also allowed me to cut = allot=20 of weight off the front and the cowl, make the cowl much more = aerodynamic,=20 create a better RAM air system and change the cooling differential. This = all=20 adds up to more knots and a better flying Lancair. An obvious change is in the bottom of the cowl, looking at the = before=20 and after pictures, you can see how the airflow now "holds" the nose up=20 instead of the old cowl adding drag. This helps take the pressure off = the=20 tail, kind of the effect of reflexed flaps. Doing this allows the = airframe=20 to go faster. Less drag =3D More speed. The tail is drag. More RAM =3D More HP. The least amount of air you force into the = cooling=20 inlets =3D Less drag. Performance exhaust =3D More HP. More HP + Less = Drag =3D=20 More speed. These are just a few of the many changes and mods we can do to = increase=20 performance and have a better flying Lancair. Randy Stuart LNC-2 --=20 Clark Baker mobile: + 1 917 558 5567 home: + 1 646 964 4159 bakercdb@gmail.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C870CE.B367FE50 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; name="LNC-2 past 200k.txt"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="LNC-2 past 200k.txt" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:58:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Paul Lipps" Subject: LNC-2 past 200k Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_019C_01C86E6E.0A211FA0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_019C_01C86E6E.0A211FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oscar Grassle's 160HP 235/320 would go 240mph/208.5k at 3150rpm at 5500' = dalt with my two-blade design; that's what you would expect with a 187HP = engine at 2700rpm. It would also go 233mph/202.4k at 3090rpm at 10,000' = dalt, or the equivalent of 183HP engine at 2700rpm! These numbers were = verified with a GPS on two-way runs. At 1000' dalt, it would go = 242mph/210.3k at 3200rpm, the same as a 189.6HP engine at 2700rpm. ------=_NextPart_000_019C_01C86E6E.0A211FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Oscar Grassle's 160HP 235/320 would go = 240mph/208.5k=20 at 3150rpm at 5500' dalt with my two-blade design; that's what you would = expect=20 with a 187HP engine at 2700rpm. It would also go 233mph/202.4k at = 3090rpm=20 at 10,000' dalt, or the equivalent of 183HP engine at 2700rpm! These = numbers=20 were verified with a GPS on two-way runs. At 1000' dalt, it would go=20 242mph/210.3k at 3200rpm, the same as a 189.6HP engine at=20 2700rpm.
------=_NextPart_000_019C_01C86E6E.0A211FA0-- ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C870CE.B367FE50 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; name="Re_ Lamb Tyres.txt"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Re_ Lamb Tyres.txt" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:58:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: Lorn H Olsen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--799562388 Subject: Re: Lamb Tyres --Apple-Mail-1--799562388 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The last tires that I bought were Aero Classics. You may also want to try Lancair. I just put one of the Aero Classics on 74 hours ago so I can't report on its' longevity yet. I just noticed that they say that there is a new version of the 11/400-5 tire available in December of 2007. This tire is listed as having a load of 475 lbs. I don't know about the rest of you but when I am at 1,900 lbs gross, I have about 800 lbs on each main tire. > From: "Dominic V Crain" > Date: February 13, 2008 7:00:27 PM GMT-05:00 > > Anyone tried to get any 8 ply LNC2 tyres lately? > Ordered a couple from Spruce and advised they are on back order. > Bit of a nuisance as they will possibly miss the free transport back > to Oz. > Cheers > Dom Crain > VH-CZJ > NB Correct spelling of TYRE. > Xin Ciao -- Lorn H. 'Feathers' Olsen, MAA, ASMEL, ASES, Comm, Inst DynaComm, Corp., 248-345-0500, mailto:lorn@dynacomm.us LNC2, FB90/92, O-320-D1F, 1,300 hrs, N31161, Y47, SE Michigan --Apple-Mail-1--799562388 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The last tires that I = bought were Aero = Classics. You may also want to try Lancair. I just put one of the Aero Classics on 74 = hours ago so I can't report on = its' longevity yet.

I just noticed that they = say that there is a new version of the 11/400-5 tire available = in December of 2007.

This tire is listed as = having a load of 475 lbs. I don't know about the rest of you but when I = am at 1,900 lbs gross, I have about 800 lbs on each main = tire.

From: "Dominic V Crain" <domcrain@tpg.com.au>
<= div>Date: February 13, 2008 7:00:27 PM GMT-05:00

Anyone tried to get any 8 = ply LNC2 tyres lately?
Ordered a couple from Spruce and = advised they are on back order.
Bit of a nuisance as they will = possibly miss the free transport back to = Oz.
Cheers
Dom Crain
VH-CZJ
NB = Correct spelling of TYRE.
Xin = Ciao
=
--
Lorn H. 'Feathers' Olsen, MAA, ASMEL, ASES, = Comm, Inst
DynaComm, Corp., 248-345-0500, mailto:lorn@dynacomm.us
LNC= 2, FB90/92, O-320-D1F, 1,300 hrs, N31161, Y47, SE = Michigan



= --Apple-Mail-1--799562388-- ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C870CE.B367FE50 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; name="Re_ [LML] LNC-2 past 200k.txt"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Re_ [LML] LNC-2 past 200k.txt" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:56:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: Chris Zavatson Subject: Re: [LML] LNC-2 past 200k Content-Type: multipart/alternative; = boundary=3D"0-1218648594-1203003727=3D:68197" --0-1218648594-1203003727=3D:68197 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii <> What is the power output of a 320 turning 3150 rpm at 5,500'? = _________________________________________________________________________= ___________ Be a better friend, newshound, and=20 know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. = http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=3DAhu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ=20 --0-1218648594-1203003727=3D:68197 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii
<<Oscar Grassle's 160HP 235/320 would go 240mph/208.5k = at 3150rpm at 5500' dalt>>
What is the power output of a 320 turning 3150 rpm at = 5,500'?


Be a better friend, newshound, and=20 know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --0-1218648594-1203003727=3D:68197-- ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C870CE.B367FE50 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; name="Cold Induction Treatment of Friends.txt"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Cold Induction Treatment of Friends.txt" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:56:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: Subject: Cold Induction Treatment of Friends Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blowing by your friends when you push in the throttle.... Priceless. =3D20 Randy, Your photos show a very impressive installation. Perhaps you would be = inte=3D rested in joining us for any of the Sport Air Racing League races. = We=3DE2=3D =3D80=3D99d love the competition. =3D20 PS: I found 200 kts rather easy to blow by. I think the lnc-2 wall is = aro=3D und 225 kts. Larry Henney Race 36 SARL Gold 2007 http://sportairrace.org/ ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C870CE.B367FE50 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; name="Re_ [LML] LNC-2 past 200k.txt"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Re_ [LML] LNC-2 past 200k.txt" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:10:16 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Randy" Subject: Re: [LML] LNC-2 past 200k Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0085_01C86EEC.9FE87CD0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C86EEC.9FE87CD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think some of you are missing my point... Almost any LNC-2 will go to = 200 knots... It's getting past the 200 knot mark is not quite as easy. This takes the = extra touches like more HP, light weight, straight build, reduced drag, = etc.=20 There are about a dozen LNC-2's here and most of them get to 200 knots = (not all) and a few get well past that. Those few have allot more time = into them to get them faster. The 200 knot wall is not the end of the = LNC-2 speed it's just the easiest to reach. That is the power to drag = limit on this design.=20 Increase the power, reduce the drag and the limit is raised but it is in = no way linear past 200 knots . It is very exponential. Randy Stuart LNC-2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Paul Lipps=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:58 AM Subject: [LML] LNC-2 past 200k Oscar Grassle's 160HP 235/320 would go 240mph/208.5k at 3150rpm at = 5500' dalt with my two-blade design; that's what you would expect with a = 187HP engine at 2700rpm. It would also go 233mph/202.4k at 3090rpm at = 10,000' dalt, or the equivalent of 183HP engine at 2700rpm! These = numbers were verified with a GPS on two-way runs. At 1000' dalt, it = would go 242mph/210.3k at 3200rpm, the same as a 189.6HP engine at = 2700rpm. ------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C86EEC.9FE87CD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think some of = you are=20 missing my point... Almost any LNC-2 will go to 200=20 knots...
It's getting past = the 200 knot=20 mark is not quite as easy. This takes the extra touches like more HP, = light=20 weight, straight build, reduced drag, etc.
There are about a = dozen=20 LNC-2's here and most of them get to 200 knots (not all) and a few get = well past=20 that. Those few have allot more time into them to get them faster. The = 200 knot=20 wall is not the end of the LNC-2 speed it's just the easiest to reach. = That is=20 the power to drag limit on this design.
Increase the = power, reduce the=20 drag and the limit is raised but it is in no way linear past 200 knots . = It is=20 very exponential.
 
Randy=20 Stuart
LNC-2
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Paul=20 Lipps
Sent: Thursday, February 14, = 2008 4:58=20 AM
Subject: [LML] LNC-2 past = 200k

Oscar Grassle's 160HP 235/320 would go=20 240mph/208.5k at 3150rpm at 5500' dalt with my two-blade design; = that's what=20 you would expect with a 187HP engine at 2700rpm. It would also go = 233mph/202.4k at 3090rpm at 10,000' dalt, or the equivalent of 183HP = engine at=20 2700rpm! These numbers were verified with a GPS on two-way runs. At = 1000'=20 dalt, it would go 242mph/210.3k at 3200rpm, the same as a 189.6HP=20 engine at 2700rpm.
------=_NextPart_000_0085_01C86EEC.9FE87CD0-- ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C870CE.B367FE50 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; name="Re_ [LML] Cold Induction Treatment of Friends.txt"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Re_ [LML] Cold Induction Treatment of Friends.txt" To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:10:16 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Randy" Subject: Re: [LML] Cold Induction Treatment of Friends Content-Type: text/plain; format=3Dflowed; charset=3D"utf-8"; reply-type=3Doriginal Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Actually.... I found out when I went to Oshkosh last year that my plane = once=20 was a Reno racer. It belonged to a guy that now races a Legacy. Sorry I=20 don't remember his name but he came by and we talked for a while. I = think=20 he's the president of the class he fly's in, or something like that. If = he=20 reads this he'll know who he is. If you're getting a consistent true 225 knots from a parallel valve = LNC-2=20 you're doing something I haven't seen yet. When the conditions are right = I've seen incredible numbers but those are not true and consistent. Some of the guys were talking about taking the Reno class for the fun of = it=20 but they don't race LNC-2's anymore. Well, if you're ever on my side of the airspace (southern CA) drop me an = email and I'll bring out the group. = http://www.insidesocal.com/video/videos/flying_with_the_breakfast_club.ht= ml Randy Stuart LNC-2 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:56 AM Subject: [LML] Cold Induction Treatment of Friends Blowing by your friends when you push in the throttle.... Priceless. Randy, Your photos show a very impressive installation. Perhaps you would be=20 interested in joining us for any of the Sport Air Racing League races. = We=E2=80=99d=20 love the competition. PS: I found 200 kts rather easy to blow by. I think the lnc-2 wall is=20 around 225 kts. Larry Henney Race 36 SARL Gold 2007 http://sportairrace.org/ -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C870CE.B367FE50--