X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:16:32 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [70.62.14.124] (HELO server1.USTEK) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.0) with ESMTP id 2730988 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:09:01 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=70.62.14.124; envelope-from=r.simon@ustek.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C86FE5.1DFB1FD0" Subject: Thermawing observations Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 X-Original-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:11:47 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Thermawing observations Thread-Index: Achv5RUiqSJKo+4PQa2sKc7yTyUMSA== From: "Lancair" X-Original-Sender: "Robert Simon" X-Original-To: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C86FE5.1DFB1FD0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C86FE5.1DFB1FD0" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C86FE5.1DFB1FD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Columbia "Evade" system and the "Thermawing/Therm-X" system are very different. Compare this situation to that in which you give a box of gears and springs to two individuals, an experienced watch maker and an inexperienced kayaker. The former could make a clock that keeps perfect time whilst the latter has to spend his energy trying to keep his head above water so the clock becomes a very secondary priority. It's not the parts that are critical so much as the assembly and implementation of the technology. =20 =20 Columbia already had stretched their management expertise to the limit and the hot wing system was afforded little engineering time or management support. Consider that they installed the first systems without insulation between the 7 kilowatt alternator and the copper mesh in the wing. They turned that puppy on and got an airborne toaster - talk about a hot wing! =20 =20 Contrast that to the current implementation of Therm-X at RDD. They know the theory and practice of the hot wing. They have wrung out the system under different installation conditions and on different wing designs. And there are already hundreds of hours on the systems. There might be differences in some components compared with the early Evade designs but the biggest factor in performance is the installation. I expect that as the dust settles at Columbia/Cessna they will complete their homework and start to ship planes with a hot wing. They might even offer to fix their early installations, if only to emphasize Cessna's commitment to the pilot community. =20 =20 Robert M. Simon ES-P (de-iced) N301ES =20 =20 =20 From: Colyn Case on earthlink [mailto:colyncase@earthlink.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:09 PM Subject: Columbia owners on tks vs. thermawing =20 Apparently Cessna is still making up their mind about thermawing and is only supporting TKS for now. . . I thought this one was interesting as it indicates some of what I hope are only teething issues for thermawing. Colyn =20 Re: TKS decision guidance=20 ________________________________ I had mixed results with Evade in a round trip from Portland to Southern California last week.=20 __________________ Art Schwalge, Columbia 400, N4468F=20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_002_01C86FE5.1DFB1FD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The = Columbia "Evade"=20 system and the "Thermawing/Therm-X" system are very different.  = Compare=20 this situation to that in which you give a box of gears and springs to = two=20 individuals, an experienced watch maker and an inexperienced = kayaker. =20 The former could make a clock that keeps perfect time whilst the latter = has to=20 spend his energy trying to keep his head above water so the clock = becomes a very=20 secondary priority.  It's not the parts that are critical so much = as the=20 assembly and implementation of the technology.  =
 
Columbia = already had=20 stretched their management expertise to the limit and the hot wing = system was=20 afforded little engineering time or management support.  Consider = that they=20 installed the first systems without insulation between the 7 kilowatt = alternator=20 and the copper mesh in the wing.  They turned that puppy on and got = an=20 airborne toaster - talk about a hot wing! 
 
Contrast = that to the=20 current implementation of Therm-X at RDD.  They know the theory and = practice of the hot wing.  They have wrung out the system under = different=20 installation conditions and on different wing designs.  And there = are=20 already hundreds of hours on the systems.  There might be = differences in=20 some components compared with the early Evade designs but the biggest = factor in=20 performance is the installation.  I expect that as the dust settles = at=20 Columbia/Cessna they will complete their homework and start to ship = planes with=20 a hot wing.  They might even offer to fix their early = installations, if=20 only to emphasize Cessna's commitment to the pilot community. =20
 
Robert M.=20 Simon
ES-P (de-iced) N301ES
 
 
 

From: Colyn=20 Case on earthlink [mailto:colyncase@earthlink.net]
Sent:
Wednesday, February 13, = 2008 1:09=20 PM
Subject: = Columbia = owners on tks vs.=20 thermawing

Apparently Cessna is still = making up=20 their mind about thermawing and is only supporting TKS for now. . .   I thought = this one was=20 interesting as it indicates some=20 of = what I hope=20 are only teething issues for thermawing.  Colyn

 

Re: TKS decision=20 guidance =


I had mixed results with = Evade in a=20 round trip from Portland to Southern California last week. =

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