X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:58:20 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from bay0-omc3-s39.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.239] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.0) with ESMTP id 2728920 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:44:44 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.54.246.239; envelope-from=randystuart@hotmail.com Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.139.27]) by bay0-omc3-s39.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:44:06 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:44:05 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: Received: from 68.183.63.181 by BAY134-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 14 Feb 2008 01:44:04 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.183.63.181] X-Originating-Email: [randystuart@hotmail.com] X-Sender: randystuart@hotmail.com From: "Randy" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Cold Induction X-Original-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:44:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01C86E68.07C2F310" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2008 01:44:05.0877 (UTC) FILETIME=[1578F250:01C86EAB] X-Original-Return-Path: randystuart@hotmail.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C86E68.07C2F310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do I hear a challenge?? I haven't been beaten yet by any 320/360 LNC-2. = ;) We did have an LNC-2 that we stuffed a IO-360 angle valve 200 HP and = added all the tricks. It was faster, but only by a few knots. It crashed = last year, sorry to say.=20 But as you can see by your own numbers, you've hit the 200 knot wall. On = the angle valve engine LNC-2 we had on the field, it was at least a good = 40 HP over the parallel valve LNC-2's here. It was only 5 knots faster = on a good day then the others. It climbed better and burned more fuel = better but still had to push past the 200 knot wall. We also have a 320 = powered LNC-2 ( won Oshkosh Bronze 2006 ) and it easily hits 200 knots = but it's straight, light, has all the tricks and rigged right.=20 Like I was saying before, there's more to getting these planes to go = faster then just horse power. Every airframe design has a power to drag = limit just ask any designer. If that wasn't true then a LEG would go = twice as fast because it has twice as much horse power and an LNC-2. = LEG is only 30 knots faster with 400 HP. Randy Stuart LNC-2=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sky2high@aol.com=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: [LML] Re: Cold Induction Randy, et al, I found that there is no wall except from power applied after drag has = been addressed (uh, maybe flutter is the limit). I file for 194 KTAS. = I see 176-181 KIAS at 5000 to 8000 MSL at or near 25 squared. But, the = real test is to race from point to point and have somebody else time the = whole durn thing. 2002 Sun 100, 202.2 Knots. As close to sea level as I'll ever get. 2003 Air Venture Cup from Kitty Hawk -> Dayton -> Fond du Lac, 191.4 = Knots. OK, not so good 'cause of the wind, weather, 6000' = mini-mountains and a 6 Knot bug penalty in Illinois (845 NM, 2 days). = Hah, after Illinois the dirtied-canard planes couldn't slow down for = fear of falling out of the sky. Beat all kinds of higher powered = planes. 2004 AVC Dayton -> Fond du Lac, 205.4 Knots (385 NM, smooth air at = 2100 MSL). 2006 AVC Dayton -> Fond du Lac, 202.3 Knots. Beat a turbo charged = 360. Or, at the final Lancair 100, September 2006 in Redmond (3000 MSL Top = Gun terrain), "they" measured me at 210+ Knots. I beat scads of 360's = 'cept for Chris Zavatson. Not bad for a 9:1 injected 320, EI, ram air and some other itty bitty = adjustments, more added each year after 2002. Wanna race? Scott Krueger AKA Grayhawk Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96 Aurora, IL (KARR) Pilot not TSO'd, Certificated score only > 70%. =20 In a message dated 2/13/2008 12:09:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, = randystuart@hotmail.com writes: It's hard to get your LNC-2 past 200 kts., that seems to be the wall = on the design for these rockets. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL = Music takes you there. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C86E68.07C2F310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Do I hear a = challenge?? I=20 haven't been beaten yet by any 320/360 LNC-2. = ;)
We did have an = LNC-2 that we=20 stuffed a IO-360 angle valve 200 HP and added all the tricks. It was = faster, but=20 only by a few knots. It crashed last year, sorry to say.=20
But as you can see = by your own=20 numbers, you've hit the 200 knot wall. On the angle valve engine LNC-2 = we had on=20 the field, it was at least a good 40 HP over the parallel valve LNC-2's = here. It=20 was only 5 knots faster on a good day then the others. It climbed better = and=20 burned more fuel better but still had to push past the 200 knot wall. We = also=20 have a 320 powered LNC-2 ( won Oshkosh Bronze 2006 ) and it easily = hits 200=20 knots but it's straight, light, has all the tricks and rigged right.=20
Like I was saying = before,=20 there's more to getting these planes to go faster then just horse power. = Every=20 airframe design has a power to drag limit just ask any designer. If that = wasn't=20 true then a LEG would go twice as fast because it has twice as much = horse power=20 and an LNC-2.  LEG is only 30 knots faster with=20 400 HP.
 
Randy=20 Stuart
LNC-2 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Sky2high@aol.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, = 2008 4:00=20 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Cold = Induction

Randy, et al,
 
I found that there is no wall except from power applied after = drag has=20 been addressed (uh, maybe flutter is the limit).  I file for 194=20 KTAS.  I see 176-181 KIAS at 5000 to 8000 MSL at or near 25=20 squared.  But, the real test is to race from point to point and = have=20 somebody else time the whole durn thing.
 
2002 Sun 100, 202.2 Knots.  As close to sea level as I'll = ever=20 get.
 
2003 Air Venture Cup from Kitty Hawk -> Dayton -> Fond du = Lac,=20 191.4 Knots.  OK, not so good 'cause of the wind, weather, 6000'=20 mini-mountains and a 6 Knot bug penalty in Illinois (845 NM, 2=20 days).  Hah, after Illinois the dirtied-canard planes couldn't = slow down=20 for fear of falling out of the sky.  Beat all kinds of higher = powered=20 planes.
 
2004 AVC Dayton -> Fond du Lac, 205.4 Knots (385 NM, smooth = air at=20 2100 MSL).
 
2006 AVC Dayton -> Fond du Lac, 202.3 Knots.  Beat a = turbo=20 charged 360.
 
Or, at the final Lancair 100, September 2006 in = Redmond=20 (3000 MSL Top Gun terrain), "they" measured me at 210+ Knots.  I = beat=20 scads of 360's 'cept for Chris Zavatson.
 
Not bad for a 9:1 injected 320, EI, ram air and some = other itty=20 bitty adjustments, more added each year after 2002.
 
Wanna race?
 
Scott=20 Krueger AKA Grayhawk
Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96
Aurora, IL=20 (KARR)

Pilot not TSO'd, Certificated score only >=20 70%.
 
 
In a message dated 2/13/2008 12:09:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, = randystuart@hotmail.com writes:
It's hard = to get your=20 LNC-2 past 200 kts., that seems to be the wall on the design for = these=20 = rockets.


The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you=20 there.
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