X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:23:49 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com ([208.47.184.3] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.0) with ESMTP id 2710705 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:59:23 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=208.47.184.3; envelope-from=liegner@embarqmail.com X-Original-Return-Path: X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=PjCOv8hNMzwA:10 a=eQqb5WoiAAAA:8 a=4rFdVnmpAAAA:8 a=Tzos76ReyuWnHZx-4EYA:9 a=iEoOiURlSB8DhNm-2nIA:7 a=N6-t44lcnJYelwcz4yLafcGw8qUA:4 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 a=fKUsiljRTOLtMuMS92cA:9 a=bzFcUbrtqbUPhFzjZC4A:7 a=M9A5uRCe6JojbnNAaoLGLpDXSCgA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=liegner@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=liegner@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp08.embarq.synacor.com: 76.6.59.68 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Received: from [76.6.59.68] ([76.6.59.68:11830] helo=[10.0.1.42]) by mailrelay.embarq.synacor.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.1.21 r(19176)) with ESMTPA id A5/0B-05134-37903A74; Fri, 01 Feb 2008 06:58:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: liegner@embarqmail.com@pop.embarqmail.com X-Original-Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: X-Original-Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 06:57:55 -0500 X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net From: "Jeffrey Liegner, MD" Subject: Re: [LML] Re: ground tug for a IVP X-Original-Cc: "Colyn Case on earthlink" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1010255371==_ma============" --============_-1010255371==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The Tow Buddy I have has a single wheel, and traction on ice/snow is variable. It seems to have enough room around the tire and enough wheel torque to hold and utilize chains for improved traction. There are also gripper straps or "autosocks" for tractors that are lower profile than full-on chains, that bungy-cord around the tie that I've seen. http://www.autosock.us/ Recall that the tow buddy has the heavy duty option. http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id=14093 Heavy Duty Tow Buddy Cordless Powered Tow Bar, Model: SKU: TB-3000 The idea of a modest lawn tractor is an interesting point. The Tow Buddy is $1000. Jeff L LIVP (with some snow on the ground) >For the price of a basic new tug you could pick up a nearly new lawn >tractor/riding mower with about 20 HP and fabricate a towbar. If >you have any grass around your hangar it could mow the lawn as well >as tow the plane. Just a thought. I've also seen golf carts used >for tugs. (Then there's the tug I saw at the Reno Air Races with >a supercharged Chevy 350; but that's probably overkill :) > >Tom Gourley >>> >> >>From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf >>Of Colyn Case on earthlink >>Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 8:09 PM >>To: lml@lancaironline.net >>Subject: [LML] Re: ground tug for a IVP >> >>Hi Jeff, >> I called powertow and they claim that their 12V electric model >>is not strong enough to use with chains (in ice and snow). Do you >>think the same might be true of the tow buddy here? Also I have >>about a 1.7" lip on my hangar entrance to get over, do you think >>that would be a challenge (assume full fuel or 3300 lbs. or so)? >> >> I looked at the wag-aero page. The variable speed control >>looks like a really nice feature. and I would much prefer electric >>to gas. >> I did not see any choice of heavy duty or not.... >> >>thanks, >> >>Colyn --============_-1010255371==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: [LML] Re: ground tug for a IVP
The Tow Buddy I have has a single wheel, and traction on ice/snow is variable.  It seems to have enough room around the tire and enough wheel torque to hold and utilize chains for improved traction.

There are also gripper straps or "autosocks" for tractors that are lower profile than full-on chains, that bungy-cord around the tie that I've seen.
http://www.autosock.us/


Recall that the tow buddy has the heavy duty option.
http://store.wagaero.com/product_info.php?products_id=14093
Heavy Duty Tow Buddy Cordless Powered Tow Bar, Model: SKU: TB-3000

The idea of a modest lawn tractor is an interesting point.  The Tow Buddy is $1000.

Jeff L
LIVP (with some snow on the ground)


For the price of a basic new tug you could pick up a nearly new lawn tractor/riding mower with about 20 HP and fabricate a towbar.  If you have any grass around your hangar it could mow the lawn as well as tow the plane.  Just a thought.  I've also seen golf carts used for tugs.  (Then there's the tug I saw at the Reno Air Races with a supercharged Chevy 350; but that's probably overkill :)
 
Tom Gourley
 

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Colyn Case on earthlink
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 8:09 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: ground tug for a IVP
 
Hi Jeff,
    I called powertow and they claim that their 12V electric model is not strong enough to use with chains (in ice and snow).  Do you think the same might be true of the tow buddy here?   Also I have about a 1.7" lip on my hangar entrance to get over, do you think that would be a challenge (assume full fuel or 3300 lbs. or so)?
 
    I looked at the wag-aero page.   The variable speed control looks like a really nice feature.  and I would much prefer electric to gas.
    I did not see any choice of heavy duty or not....
 
thanks,
 
Colyn
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