X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:38:01 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta10.adelphia.net ([68.168.78.202] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c4) with ESMTP id 2646140 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:16:42 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.168.78.202; envelope-from=glcasey@adelphia.net Received: from [75.82.218.90] by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20080115141600.OUVW3079.mta10.adelphia.net@[75.82.218.90]> for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 09:16:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-47-908543110 X-Original-Message-Id: <75A512BB-D24C-4E73-96A5-31BF883C0B3A@adelphia.net> From: Gary Casey Subject: Re: To air filter or NOT to air filter - THAT is the question X-Original-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:15:58 -0800 X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) --Apple-Mail-47-908543110 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Sounds like a couple of questions there - does one want a filter at all? And if not, should one add some sort of screen to the inlet. I'm not sure whether a filter is usually a good idea or not - most flying is done in clean air, but on the ground and during an occasional dust storm the engine could ingest enough dust to wear it out quickly. I would use a filter unless I expected to overhaul the engine before TBO for some other reason anyway. However, lots of people run filters that quite a bit below the filtering efficiency of a standard paper element (oiled foam or K&N) and I don't know of any widespread problem. Maybe the standard paper filters are more like insurance policies - likely never needed, but once it a while they are worth it. I think there is enough dust right at ground level that I think a good paper filter is worthwhile. Just an opinion, as I have no data to support it. I can detect a trace of dust in the filter housing ahead of the filter, but after the filter it is clean. The engine is expensive enough that I figure the filter is worth it. Filters do inhibit solid water - sometimes too much - and like posted on this list the engine has no real problem ingesting water. They also (presumably) prevent rocks, bolts and birds from entering. A screen could do that, but I would hesitate to put a screen flat across the intake - something like a rag could plug the whole thing. If the screen were cylindrical shaped or otherwise not in direct line with the flow it would offer enough area to hopefully not plug if something entered. Gary Casey > > From: Matt Reeves > Date: January 14, 2008 9:46:58 AM PST > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: To air filter or NOT to air filter - THAT is the question. > > > Okay, everyone has me convinced my engine won't die if I fly in > rain, but now I have a question about air intake filters. > > Wouldn't it be true that if I had a filter in my 2 1/4" intake > tube, that it could freeze up or clog faster than if I had no air > filter into my carb? If I did have a filter, It might stop a bird > but at 200 mph, that is doubtful but then again the prop might make > the best air filter of all. > > I'd like some opinions on that. > > Thanks. > > Matt > --Apple-Mail-47-908543110 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sounds like a couple of questions there - does one want a filter at all? = =A0And if not, should one add some sort of screen to the inlet.

I'm not sure whether a = filter is usually a good idea or not - most flying is done in clean air, = but on the ground and during an occasional dust storm the engine could = ingest enough dust to wear it out quickly. =A0I would use a filter = unless I expected to overhaul the engine before TBO for some other = reason anyway. =A0However, lots of people run filters that quite a bit = below the filtering efficiency of a standard paper element (oiled foam = or K&N) and I don't know of any widespread problem. =A0Maybe the = standard paper filters are more like insurance policies - likely never = needed, but once it a while they are worth it. =A0I think there is = enough dust right at ground level that I think a good paper filter is = worthwhile. =A0Just an opinion, as I have no data to support it. =A0I = can detect a trace of dust in the filter housing ahead of the filter, = but after the filter it is clean. =A0The engine is expensive enough that = I figure the filter is worth it.

Filters do inhibit solid = water - sometimes too much - and like posted on this list the engine has = no real problem ingesting water. =A0They also (presumably) prevent = rocks, bolts and birds from entering. =A0A screen could do that, but I = would hesitate to put a screen flat across the intake - something like a = rag could plug the whole thing. =A0If the screen were cylindrical shaped = or otherwise not in direct line with the flow it would offer enough area = to hopefully not plug if something entered.

Gary Casey

From: Matt Reeves <mattreeves@yahoo.com>
Date: January 14, 2008 9:46:58 AM = PST
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: To air filter or NOT to air filter - = THAT is the question.


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Okay, everyone has me convinced my engine won't die if I fly in = rain, but now I have a question about air intake filters.
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Wouldn't it be true that if I had a filter in my 2 = 1/4" intake tube, that it could freeze up or clog faster than if I had = no air filter into my carb?=A0 If I did have a filter, It might stop a = bird but at 200 mph, that is doubtful but then again the prop might make = the best air filter of all.
=A0
I'd like some = opinions on that.
=A0
Thanks.
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=
Matt

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