Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #45815
From: terrence o'neill <troneill@charter.net>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: MKII tail vs original tail??
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:46:58 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Excellent, Dom, and many thanks.  Up-over here we have had many similar observations by professional civil and military test pilots re the small tail.  Perhaps the first report was back in a KITPLANES August 1993 article by pro test pilot Chuck Berthe. He mentiooned two things that red-flagged a problem, for me.  1. The very light stick pitch force per G (1.5 to 2 lb. stick force per g), and 2. the lack of after-stall nose-drop or unstall pitching moment especially near the aft CG... so that he had to push the stick forward after the stall, to reduce the AOA and recover.  This was apparently of such concern that Berthe did not test 'full departure stalls'.  Nevertheless, like many envious pilots exposed to Lancairs, he enthusiastically concluded that "I would love to have one."
Me too; I bought one...kit # 11 ... and added anti-servo tabs to the elevator, and a fix for the weak post-stall recovery pitch moment.
Terrence
L235/320 N211AL
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 07:30 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: MKII tail vs original tail??
(paraphrased original post)

 I have had email discussions with the test pilot who undertook some of the test flying on the Lancair which resulted in the recommendation to enlarge the tail.

 

I quote from the email I received from one him on 20 September 2007:

 

“…….When the first example (a 320 I think?) was evaluated, it was found to have 2 major design problems/defects.  First the aft CG condition was unrealistic (in excess of 30% MAC), and the horizontal stabiliser was too small.  Combined these resulted in neutral or negative stick free longitudinal stability.  Also manoeuvre stability (stick force per G) was at best measured in ounces per G.  Standard comment from then owners was"I like it like that because it has fighter like feel."  These pilots had obviously never flown a fighter, at least not one built since about 1920, which all have positive long stab, and minimum stick forces of about 7 lb/G. 

 

CASA insisted (under the good/bad old 101.28 rule) that stability be improved.  I think the aft CG limit was moved forward (not sure how much) and bigger tails were required.  The bigger tails (2 local REG 35 solutions by Graham Swannel and Dave Simons) produced adequate solutions, but the practicalities of keeping CG forward remained. 

Very quickly the manufacturer of kit X came out with a bigger tail (about 50% bigger!), and some advice on how to fix the CG problem.  Lancair eventually did the same……”

 

Hopefully this will help, if not cause the usual broad-ranging hackles raising.

 

Cheers,

Dom Crain

VH-CZJ

Melbourne

Not Florida

 

 

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