Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #45250
From: terrence o'neill <troneill@charter.net>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: limit Gs for 235 (kit #11)
Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:40:30 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Ah, more good info.  Thaks, Gary.
Terrence o'Neill
235/320
N211Al
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 05:24 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: limit Gs for 235 (kit #11)

1.  The original 235 plans were for the wing tanks to be forward of the wing spar in the forward "D" section and included an area in the most outboard wing section rear of the wing spar (the fuel cap is out there).  A later option was presented for wing tank location, which located the wing tanks in the first bay outboard of BL 50 ("center wing tank").  In doing so, the next rib was to be moved in order to attain sufficient fuel quantity of 11 gallons per wing.  I speculate, a big percentage of the 235's built utilized the optional wing tank location.  Sealing the leading edge tank arrangement while installing the one piece leading edge wrap around wing skin attachment to the wing spar was not an easy task.
 
Also, some 235 builders continued the "center wing tank" location farther outboard for more capacity (way over factory gross when full).  Subsequently, the 320/360 airframe design utilized the outboard of BL 50 wing tank location and extended it outboard for more capacity.
 
2.  The ailerons of the 235 and 320/360 are nearly the same.  The pushrod attachment is at the inboard end, same as the 320/360 arrangement.  The 235 rod to aileron attachment utilized one "L" bracket, whereas the 320/360 utilized two for more attachment support.
 
Gary Edwards
LNC2
Medford, Oregon  
 
  
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:23 AM

In a message dated 12/3/2007 1:28:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, troneill@charter.net writes:
When going through the outer wings vs the builders' book I noted many differences in the use of areas for fuel.  The book showed fuel ahead of the spar, and in the outer bay past the aileron bellcrank the book showed fuel between main and rear spars out to the tip.  But in the wing itself the  fuel area stopped at the aileron bellcrank rib... and each wing tank was marked as about 18 gal. per side. Also, the wing has the aileron bellcrank outboard of the mounting rib vs inboard in the book. 
Is there still a way to check carbon sparcap thickness, and whether there are cap strips on the ribs? ... probably too late to check, as the wings are on now.
Terry,
 
You are getting much better information from those more familiar with 235 internals than I could give you.  For example, Tim Jorgensen's commentary on the wing test data.
 
The 320/360 aileron push rod is at the inboard edge of the aileron while the 235 might have that placed further outboard.  That would allow for a bigger wing fuel capacity.  I only get 17 gallons in each wing up to the rib that is positioned at the inboard edge of the aileron.  BTW, the book may have an error (gee, like that never happened before).
 
When the ribs were installed into the wing's top skin, two BID was laid up on each side of the rib.  You should be able to see this on the top skin when you look into the aileron push rod access door.  If the cap strip technique was used, then the bottom skin would have pre built flanges bonded to the bottom skin and its appearance would be similar to the rib/top-skin joints.  Of course, BID could have been added thru the push rod access door so you may have to look into the wing fuel tanks with a lighted mirror to compare the visual appearance of the top and bottom rib/skin joints.
 
Scott




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