X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:40:30 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from bay0-omc1-s7.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.79] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2c1) with ESMTP id 2558298 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:06:35 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.54.246.79; envelope-from=gary21sn@hotmail.com Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.250.80]) by bay0-omc1-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:05:55 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:05:55 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: Received: from 67.42.179.140 by BAY115-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:05:50 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.42.179.140] X-Originating-Email: [gary21sn@hotmail.com] X-Sender: gary21sn@hotmail.com From: "Gary Edwards" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: limit Gs for 235 (kit #11) X-Original-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:07:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0E51_01C83769.BF508C80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.50.0039.1900 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:07:50 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2007 02:05:55.0695 (UTC) FILETIME=[8944CFF0:01C837AC] X-Original-Return-Path: gary21sn@hotmail.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0E51_01C83769.BF508C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Terrance, I do not know the details of the kit you have. But, it seems to me that = if you have 235 kit #11 which was probably originally purchased in late = 1985 or early 1986, and it was built, then you have the 235 spars. The = 320 airframe did not come out until 1988. I also know that Lancair reduced the main spar strength requirement of = the builder installed main spar center box closeout construction = subsequent to the early kit numbers. So, if you have kit #11, it is = likely you may have a stronger main spar than subsequent 235's. When Lancair built #001, the completed wings each weighed 36 pounds = (verifiable). The bare wing spar weighed 9.25#, the finished wing spar = weighed 11.25#, the bare wing skin weighed 10.25#. So, finished wing = spar and bare wing skin total 21.5#. I do not believe there is 28.5# of = ribs, layups, tank sealer, idler arm hardware, fuel tank control arm = tube, and other, added, to arrive at your estimated 50# wing weight. Gary Edwards LNC2=20 Medford, Oregon=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: terrence o'neill=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: [LML] Re: limit Gs for 235 (kit #11) Gary,=20 Many thanks for great info. I don't have any of those newsletters. Assuming the tested gross (tested the left half of the wing from = (fusl) centerline outward) then was 1400 lbs/2, less (est. wt. of the = wing itself (50-lbs too high?), loaded to 9000 lbs (ult., failure), that = works out to 9000/650 =3D 13.8Gs. Also, the newsletter says 4.4Gs x 1.82 = (that equals 8Gs) So at 9000 lbs/8 =3D a gross of 1125 lbs? Also, the newsletter says they increased the size of the main spar = inserts (the sparcaps?) before releasing any kits. So, how can one tell = what one has/ What am I missing? Terrence O'Neill LNC235/320 Carlyle, Illinois ------=_NextPart_000_0E51_01C83769.BF508C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Terrance,
 
I do not know the details of the kit you have.  But, it seems = to me=20 that if you have 235 kit #11 which was probably originally purchased in = late=20 1985 or early 1986, and it was built, then you have the 235 spars.  = The 320=20 airframe did not come out until 1988.
 
I also know that Lancair reduced the main spar strength requirement = of the=20 builder installed main spar center box closeout construction = subsequent to=20 the early kit numbers.  So, if you have kit #11, it is likely you = may have=20 a stronger main spar than subsequent 235's.
 
When Lancair built #001, the completed wings each weighed 36 pounds = (verifiable).  The bare wing spar weighed 9.25#, the finished wing = spar=20 weighed 11.25#, the bare wing skin weighed 10.25#.  So, finished = wing spar=20 and bare wing skin total 21.5#.  I do not believe there is 28.5# of = ribs,=20 layups, tank sealer, idler arm hardware, fuel tank control arm tube, and = other,=20 added, to arrive at your estimated 50# wing weight.
 
Gary Edwards
LNC2
Medford, Oregon 
----- Original Message -----
From: terrence=20 o'neill
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, = 2007 3:24=20 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: limit Gs for = 235 (kit=20 #11)

Gary,
Many thanks for great = info. I don't=20 have any of those newsletters.
Assuming the tested gross = (tested=20 the left half of the wing from (fusl) centerline outward) then was = 1400 lbs/2,=20 less (est. wt. of the wing itself (50-lbs too high?), loaded = to 9000=20 lbs (ult., failure), that works out to 9000/650 =3D 13.8Gs. = Also, the newsletter says 4.4Gs x = 1.82 (that=20 equals 8Gs)  So at 9000 lbs/8 =3D a gross of 1125 = lbs?
Also, the newsletter says = they=20 increased the size of the main spar inserts (the sparcaps?) = before=20 releasing any kits.  So, how can one tell what one = has/
What am I = missing?
 
Terrence = O'Neill
LNC235/320
Carlyle,=20 Illinois
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