X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 08:33:29 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [69.146.254.20] (HELO arilabs.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.12) with ESMTP id 2371649 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:54:12 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=69.146.254.20; envelope-from=Kevin@arilabs.net Subject: A TCM re-maunfactured story MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C807C4.17A24025" X-Original-Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 20:53:36 -0600 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 X-Original-Message-ID: <7141427652BB3049A7DBF1084B67805B0F8345@penumbra.arilabs.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: A TCM re-maunfactured story Thread-Index: AcgHxBdtZgAL5+34RVm6eTJkjl2zNA== From: "Kevin Stallard" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C807C4.17A24025 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Before I purchased my Legacy kit, I talked to several A&P mechanics about engines. I was trying to decide whether or not to get a Lycoming or a Continental. One of the things I kept hearing was that I was going to see a top end overhaul right around 600 hours in a Continental. Well, I wanted an engine that was going to last and so I flirted with going with a Lycoming. However, the Lycoming had less power, and frankly, I'm addicted to money and power, so that wasn't going to do. =20 Knowing that this was probably a typical Ford vs Chevy argument (Okay! I must confess, I won't own a Ford), I started asking why the IO-550 had this reputation. Several folks told me that the Continental engine usually came out of the factory with important parts already close to service limits (in respect to tolerances), and that their Platinum engine overcame many of these problems. Well sheesh, now I was looking at about 60k instead of 50k for an engine. The factory re-manufactured engine was somewhere in the neighborhood of $42k. =20 What does a guy do. Well, what if someone could do a semi-overhaul and bring a Factory re-manufactured engine into spec? I wonder how much that would cost.... =20 Knowing that I wanted Gami injectors, I went to their site and they had some listings of folks that did engine work that they recommended. Barrett was on that list. I started calling around and eventually called Barrett engines. He spent the most time with me answering questions and discussing what I wanted to do. His price was also perfect (no, it wasn't free). The price of the factory re-manufactured engine plus the price of his touch ups made the cost of the engine equal to the cost of a stock new TCM IO-550. =20 Hey, I'll give it I shot, an engine that runs better and is closer to tolerances than a brand new IO-550 for the same cost, new injectors, etc. I'll try most anything once. He asked if I wanted 10:1 compression, I said 'no'. I just wanted stock compression. =20 So now the engine is done. I asked them to run it for 4 hours on the test stand (the 1st hour is free) so that added to the cost, but it's worth it as I'm going to abuse it during testing of my new Legacy and wanted to give the rings a fighting chance to seat well. During the run, they measured the power produced, and it came in at 323hp.=20 =20 I know horse power measurements can be dubious, you have to take into account a lot of factors, but it is encouraging to see that they took an engine with 310 HP rating and took it to 323 HP by cleaning it up and balancing it. And yes, Gami injectors were also installed.... =20 If you went to Oshkosh this year, this was the motor on display, I wasn't there, but I'm told it was the red one, alone, without an airplane for a home, near or in the Lancair tent? I don't remember where it was displayed. =20 Hopefully, over the next year or so, I can talk with more authority about what was really under that red paint job. But for now, it is most definitely off to a great start.=20 =20 I would like to publicly thank all those at Barrett engines for the great work they did, and for enduring my presence on the phone over, and over and over and over again. I would highly recommend to new buyers that they use the Reno Edition Engines offered by Lancair and Barrett. It's a great combination. =20 =20 Disclaimer: =20 I was not offered any discount, gift or bribe for this posting. =20 Kevin L2K-291 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C807C4.17A24025 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Before I purchased my Legacy kit, I talked to several A&P mechanics about engines.  I was trying to decide whether or = not to get a Lycoming or a Continental.  One of the things I kept hearing = was that I was going to see a top end overhaul right around 600 hours in a Continental.  Well, I wanted an engine that was going to last and = so I flirted with going with a Lycoming.  However, the Lycoming had less = power, and frankly, I’m addicted to money and power, so that wasn’t = going to do.

 

Knowing that this was probably a typical Ford vs = Chevy argument (Okay!  I must confess, I won’t own a Ford), I = started asking why the IO-550 had this reputation.  Several folks told me = that the Continental engine usually came out of the factory with important parts = already close to service limits (in respect to tolerances), and that their = Platinum engine overcame many of these problems.  Well sheesh, now I was = looking at about 60k instead of 50k for an engine.  The factory = re-manufactured engine was somewhere in the neighborhood of = $42k.

 

What does a guy do.  Well, what if someone could = do a semi-overhaul and bring a Factory re-manufactured engine into = spec?  I wonder how much that would cost….

 

Knowing that I wanted Gami injectors, I went to their = site and they had some listings of folks that did engine work that they recommended.  Barrett was on that list.  I started calling = around and eventually called Barrett engines.  He spent the most time with me answering questions and discussing what I wanted to do.  His price = was also perfect (no, it wasn’t free).  The price of the factory re-manufactured engine plus the price of his touch ups made the cost of = the engine equal to the cost of a stock new TCM = IO-550.

 

Hey, I’ll give it I shot, an engine that runs = better and is closer to tolerances than a brand new IO-550 for the same cost, = new injectors, etc.  I’ll try most anything once.  He asked = if I wanted 10:1 compression, I said ‘no’.  I just wanted stock compression.

 

So now the engine is done.  I asked them to run = it for 4 hours on the test stand (the 1st hour is free) so that = added to the cost, but it’s worth it as I’m going to abuse it during = testing of my new Legacy and wanted to give the rings a fighting chance to seat = well.  During the run, they measured the power produced, and it came in at 323hp. =

 

I know horse power measurements can be dubious, you = have to take into account a lot of factors, but it is encouraging to see that they = took an engine with 310 HP rating and took it to 323 HP by cleaning it up and balancing = it.  And yes, Gami injectors were also = installed….

 

If you went to Oshkosh this year, this was the motor on display, I wasn’t there, but = I’m told it was the red one, alone, without an airplane for a home, near or = in the Lancair tent?  I don’t remember where it was = displayed.

 

Hopefully, over the next year or so, I can talk with = more authority about what was really under that red paint job.  But for = now, it is most definitely off to a great start.

 

I would like to publicly thank all those at Barrett = engines for the great work they did, and for enduring my presence on the phone = over, and over and over and over again.  I would highly recommend to new = buyers that they use the Reno Edition Engines offered by Lancair and = Barrett.  It’s a great combination.

 

 

Disclaimer:

 

I was not offered any discount, gift or bribe for = this posting.

 

Kevin

L2K-291

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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