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From: "Dan Ballin" <dballin@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Collaborating on checklists
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Not to interrupt this fascinating thread, but I just wanted to point
out that  I plan on working with the HPAT guys to revise their Legacy
checklist and then provide it on the list as a service to those that
would like to use it for their own - as a starting point.  I am also
hoping to get the electronic version of the Legacy POH converted to a
useable format with the same intentions.
Hey if you don't want to use it don't, but for the rest at least a lot
of the work will be done.

Dan Ballin

On 2/13/07, Kevin Stallard <Kevin@arilabs.net> wrote:
> Guys!
>
> I'm talking about checklists and POH for crying out loud.  How in the
> world is a guy who is 73% done with his airplane going to help put
> together a checklist when he hasn't even flown his airplane!  (I'm not
> trying to make you mad, Kevin K. I'm just trying to point out a concept
> here, think about it for awhile before you decide to break my nose...)
>
> "I've been watching this list for the last 2 years and the one thing
> I've
>   noticed is that there are very few people here who really understand
>   what they are doing."
>
> I'm not trying to offend anybody by this.  If you think that everything
> posted to this list is golden, then we have a serious problem here.  I
> really enjoy reading the posts of folks who really know what is going
> on, I wish there were more that were as thought out and full of
> information.  I am certainly not capable of the technical prowess of
> some of the folks here.
> There are only a handful of folks who can do that.
>
> You don't understand.  You will do new people the best service by
> pointing new folks to HPAT, not to your online checklists.  Have them
> collaborate with their instructors, not other pilots.  There is not way
> in the world they can judge the experience of the other guys here.  HPAT
> has taken care to make sure they have the people they trust.
>
>
> Kevin
> L2K-291
>
>
>
> [Kevin... I'm really sorry to hear that you find the LML so totally
> lacking in
> useful comment.  If you desire I could easily remove your subscription,
> eliminating all the "noise" you seem so unwilling to deal with.   I just
> hope
> that the people here, for whom you have so little regard, take this
> rebuke
> less personally than I.  One way or another I've been at this for the
> past 15
> years or so, having migrated the beginnings of the LML from a failing
> "AVSIG"
> Compuserve community back in the late 90's.  Over that time I have
> developed
> long lasting relationships with most of the Lancair community, made and,
>
> sadly, lost friends thanks to this activity we have all taken unto
> ourselves
> as a passion few people outside of our community understand.   The names
> of
> the people from the LML whose comments possess all the credibility I
> could
> grant to anyone are too many to list here... most of us know who they
> are, and
> I just hope you haven't insulted them into silence.
>
> The guys at HPAT are a tremendous resource, one that we all should
> utilize to
> the best of our ability. Training is the ulitmate key to success and
> survival,
> but that is what they are all about... training... not physically
> creating the
> documents that you want them to review.  It is pure folly to think that
> they
> are omnipotent, and that there might not be something offered here that
> even
> one of them might find a useful addition to their critique of a
> student's POH
> or operational checklists.  They, too, are only human, and it's entirely
>
> likely that one of them may actually have made a mistake at some point
> in
> their aviation career.  It's also likely that someone like another human
>
> similar to those found on the LML might even have pointed it out to them
> and
> helped them to keep it from happening again.  That being said, please,
> by all
> means, get your knowledge from the sources you feel most comfortable
> with.
>  Pay all you can afford for it.  Just don't belittle the incredible
> mindtrust
> we have here because you don't pay its members for their opinions.
>
>     <Marv>     ]
>
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