X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:30:10 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.206] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.2) with ESMTP id 1590388 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:56:16 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.138.206; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id q.caf.3f34b92 (58808) for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:55:37 -0500 (EST) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:55:36 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Electrical /Hydraulic system questionslancair235/320 X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1164146136" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5330 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1164146136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/21/2006 11:31:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, Christopher.Zavatson@baesystems.com writes: The fluid circuit is really a closed loop. The only options for returning fluid to the reservoir are either through one of the pressure relief valves or the low resistance back pressure circuit. Excess fluid needs to return to the tank every time the rod volume displaces fluid volume. When the rod volume is removed from the system, make up fluid is pulled in from the tank through a one way check valve. During retraction, the spool valve opens a low resistance path from the low side to the reservoir, eliminating a large pressure build up in the low circuit during retraction. - which also eliminate the possibility of pressure build up due to thermal influence. One side effect of the correct spool valve orientation and a leak free system is that you cannot manually push the gear up even with the dump valve open unless the spool valve is moved into the retract position. After opening the valve you still have a closed loop from high to low that is now bypassing the pump. When you try to push the gear up you get hydraulic lock. You are trying to add the rod volume to a closed system and the only route back to the reservoir is through a relief valve. By bumping the pump in the up direction, even with the dump valve open, you can push the spool valve into the retract position which opens up the low resistance path to the reservoir for the low side circuit. If you are able to push the gear up at all without bumping the pump, I would suspect the spool valve is backwards. Let us know what observe in the low circuit during retraction. You can also try the direction-reversal test during retraction. The response should be instantaneous. good luck Chris, Arrrrrghh, I forgot about the rod volume. Luckily, that is a benefit for emergency gear extension (assuming fluid from the reservoir is not also blocked) since the reservoir could supply the extra fluid for the non-rod side. Interestingly, this helps explain why the nose sometimes pushes the nose gear door out of the way on a gear down operation - the high immediate demand for fluid on the gas actuated nose gear (along with the mains) may not allow the nose door to open fast enough because of fluid deprivation to the door actuator. Chris, thanks again for the thorough understanding you have of our interesting electro-hydraulic flapper doodle system. Scott Krueger AKA Grayhawk Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96 Aurora, IL (KARR) A man has got to know his limitations. -------------------------------1164146136 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 11/21/2006 11:31:19 A.M. Central Standard Time,=20 Christopher.Zavatson@baesystems.com writes:
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The fluid circuit is really a closed loop.  The only options for= =20 returning fluid to the reservoir are either through one of the pressure re= lief=20 valves or the low resistance back pressure circuit.  Excess fluid nee= ds=20 to return to the tank every time the rod volume displaces fluid volume.&nb= sp;=20 When the rod volume is removed from the system, make up fluid is pulled in= =20 from the tank through a one way check valve.  During retraction, the=20 spool valve opens a low resistance path from the low side to the reservoir= ,=20 eliminating a large pressure build up in the low circuit during retraction= . -=20 which also eliminate the possibility of pressure build up due to thermal=20 influence.
One side effect of the correct spool valve orientation and a leak fre= e=20 system is that you cannot manually push the gear up even with the dump val= ve=20 open unless the spool valve is moved into the retract position.  Afte= r=20 opening the valve you still have a closed loop from high to low that is no= w=20 bypassing the pump.  When you try to push the gear up you get hydraul= ic=20 lock.  You are trying to add the rod volume to a closed system and th= e=20 only route back to the reservoir is through a relief valve.  By=20 bumping the pump in the up direction, even with the dump valve open, = you=20 can push the spool valve into the retract position which opens up the=20 low resistance path to the reservoir for the low side circuit.&n= bsp;=20 If you are able to push the gear up at all without bumping the pump, I wou= ld=20 suspect the spool valve is backwards.  Let us know what observe in th= e=20 low circuit during retraction.  You can also try the direction-revers= al=20 test during retraction.  The response should be instantaneous.
good luck
Chris,
 
Arrrrrghh, I forgot about the rod volume.  Luckily, that is a bene= fit=20 for emergency gear extension (assuming fluid from the reservoir is not also=20 blocked) since the reservoir could supply the extra fluid for the non-rod=20 side.  Interestingly, this helps explain why the nose sometimes pushes=20= the=20 nose gear door out of the way on a gear down operation - the high immed= iate=20 demand for fluid on the gas actuated nose gear (along with the mains) may no= t=20 allow the nose door to open fast enough because of fluid deprivation to=20 the  door actuator.
 
Chris, thanks again for the thorough understanding you have of our=20 interesting electro-hydraulic flapper doodle system. =20
 
Scott Krueger=20 AKA Grayhawk
Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96
Aurora, IL (KARR)

A m= an=20 has got to know his limitations.
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