X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 00:31:25 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.9] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.2) with ESMTP id 1555854 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:26:19 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.137.9; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.6.) id q.c11.989179b (48576) for ; Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:25:42 -0500 (EST) From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 15:25:42 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Lancair 320 down some time ago X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1163276742" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5330 X-Spam-Flag: NO -------------------------------1163276742 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/11/2006 2:12:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, tom.gourley@verizon.net writes: He had just landed when he saw Manfred getting ready to take off and exchanged a few words with him on the radio. (For those not familiar with SPB it's an uncontrolled field.) Within seconds after liftoff Manfred had a complete electrical failure. He stayed in the pattern to return for landing. He lowered the gear on downwind (we all know the emergency extension system is very reliable and doesn't require electrical power) and passed a much slower Cessna. Apparently the Cessna didn't see Manfred and turned base and final inside of him. Manfred didn't realize this (no radio) and didn't see the Cessna until it was on the runway and Manfred was close to the flare. He attempted to side step to the grass alongside the runway and hit very hard. His 320 bounced, banked steeply, and then a wingtip hit the ground. By some miracle instead of cartwheeling the plane spun 180 degrees and slammed down flat and upright, completely breaking the empannage just ahead of the horizontal stab. The plane then slide across the grass and through a small ditch, coming out on the other side. When it came to rest, still upright, the landing gear had been completely wiped out and the firewall and engine mount were severely damaged with the engine canted upwared at 30 to 40 degrees. Scott said the fuel line had broken ahead of the firewall and the contents of the header tank were running out when he got there. It must have been a day for miracles as there was no fire. Scott and some others helped Manfred and his grandson out of the plane. They were pretty shaken but not seriously injured. It could have been an awful lot worse. Tom, Thanks for the info. Of course, this raises at least two questions, the answers to which would help us be safer. 1. What was the cause of a complete electrical failure? 2. Was a partial flap (takeoff position?), gear down go-around considered and possible? PS: I could not find this accident in the NTSB database for 2006. Scott Krueger AKA Grayhawk Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96 Aurora, IL (KARR) A man has got to know his limitations. -------------------------------1163276742 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 11/11/2006 2:12:09 P.M. Central Standard Time,=20 tom.gourley@verizon.net writes:

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He had just landed when he saw Manfr= ed=20 getting ready to take off and exchanged a few words with him on the=20 radio. (For those not familiar with SPB it's an uncontrolled=20 field.) Within seconds after liftoff Manfred had a complete electric= al=20 failure. He stayed in the pattern to return for landing. He=20 lowered the gear on downwind (we all know the emergency extension system i= s=20 very reliable and doesn't require electrical power) and passed a much slow= er=20 Cessna. Apparently the Cessna didn't see Manfred and turned base and= =20 final inside of him. Manfred didn't realize this (no radio) and didn= 't=20 see the Cessna until it was on the runway and Manfred was close to th= e=20 flare. He attempted to side step to the grass alongside the runway a= nd=20 hit very hard. His 320 bounced, banked steeply, and then a= =20 wingtip hit the ground. By some miracle instead of cartwheelin= g=20 the plane spun 180 degrees and slammed down flat and upright, completely=20 breaking the empannage just ahead of the horizontal stab. The p= lane=20 then slide across the grass and through a small ditch, coming out on the o= ther=20 side. When it came to rest, still upright, the landing gear had= =20 been completely wiped out and the firewall and engine mount were severely=20 damaged with the engine canted upwared at 30 to 40 degrees. Sco= tt=20 said the fuel line had broken ahead of the firewall and the contents of th= e=20 header tank were running out when he got there. It must have been a=20= day=20 for miracles as there was no fire. Scott and some others helped Manf= red=20 and his grandson out of the plane. They were pretty shaken but not=20 seriously injured. It could have been an awful lot=20 worse.

Tom,

Thanks for the info. Of course, this raises at least two question= s,=20 the answers to which would help us be safer.

1. What was the cause of a complete electrical failure?

2. Was a partial flap (takeoff position?), gear down go-around consider= ed=20 and possible?

PS: I could not find this accident in the NTSB database for 2006.

Scott Krueger=20 AKA Grayhawk
Lancair N92EX IO320 SB 89/96
Aurora, IL (KARR)

A m= an=20 has got to know his limitations.

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