Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #37578
From: <mmcmanus@grandecom.net>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Exiting a Legacy post crash
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 17:57:14 -0400
To: <lml>
I usually lurk the LML because I don't have much to offer, but I do know a fair
amount about skydiving.  I've got about 3500+ jumps.  I have never jumped out
of a Lancair, but I think it would be very difficult.  We used to live in the
country where I had a short, grass strip and a c172.  Sometimes when I would
take the airplane in for maintenance, the A&P, a friend, would fly me back to
my place and I would get out and land via parachute.  To get out of the c172
with the door on it, etc, my friend would kick the nose to the right, slow down
the airplane to about 80-85 mph, and I would struggle to get the door open and
me out of it wearing the parachute.  It was truely a struggle not get handles
caught while squeezing out the door.  Of course, most (Cessna) jump planes have
an inflight door that raises up so the door is not an issue.

Getting out of a Lancair with a forward hinged canopy and probably at higher
speeds would be very tough.  While I wouldn't suggest giving up if you were in
a spin or something, your time might be better spent ...cutting some sort of
last minute deal with your maker.

Matt McManus
LNC2 360

Quoting "Chatfield S. Daniel" <csdaniel@FNBSouth.com>:

> What have you flown before? Did you and your passenger wear a chute?
> Why do you feel the need for a chute when flying a Lancair?
>
> Chat Daniel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Kossi [mailto:kevin@airforcemechanical.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 2:29 PM
> To: Lancair Mailing List
> Subject: [LML] Re: Exiting a Legacy post crash
>
> Chatfield S. Danie" wrote:
>
>   Just a comment.  Do you plan to wear a parachute every time you fly.
>   And if you had a parachute, do you really think you could get out of a
>   spinning airplane...especially one not designed for it.  To my
>   knowledge, there has never been anyone to bail out of Lancair or RV
> for
>   that matter.  Your time is better spent learning how to prevent a
>   situation where you would want to bail.
>    Chat Daniel
>   Lancair Super ES
>   RV-8
>
>
> Yes, me and my passenger,  that's why I am making it as comfortable
> as possible.
>
> I have taken spin awareness, avoidance and recovery classes, I plan
> to take an aerobic class to learn how to deal with unusual attitudes.
> I am all to conscious of the dangers of a spin in a Legacy, or any
> other plane for that matter. It's something I will try to avoid. But
> in life, especially when you are closer to the edge as pilot are,
> unexpected things happen with bad consequences. I could fly into the
> wake of a 747 or bad wind shear, I could loose my rudder or an
> aileron, I could accumulate ice, structural failure. all these events
> could lead to a spin. The point for me is; if there is chance of
> something bad happening it is my responsibility to myself and
> passenger to do what I can to avoid it and what I can to deal with it
> if it happens. Who knows if I will be able to get out of the plane
> due to the G forces, but I will try my damnedest. There have been
> plenty of pilots that have gotten out of planes in a spin, just
> because you have never heard of anyone baling out of a Lancair or RV
> is meaningless to me. How many have the ability to eject their
> Canopies? How many have parachutes? There must be a reason why the
> FAR's call for a parachute when pilots do "an intentional maneuver
> involving an abrupt change in an aircraft's altitude, an abnormal
> attitude, or abnormal acceleration, not necessary for normal flight."
> Or "A bank of 60 degrees relative to the horizon" or "A nose-up or
> nose-down altitude of 30 degrees relative to the horizon". What's
> important is pilots die in spins and I will do what I can to survive.
>
>
>
> Kevin Kossi
> Legacy 55%
> New York
>
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