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From: "Stuart Seffern" <sseffern@yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Fw: [LML] Re: response to Terrence O'Neill's posting...
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I, for one, am very interested in the actual facts of safety.

This discussion has been helpful for those of us who don't have the time or 
inclination to research the lengthily statistics and attempt to limit our 
risks.  Prioritizing our behavior to avoid the biggest risks is very 
valuable.

This is far different than stagnating the industry with endless minutia of 
regulation, and killing innovation.

Who can list the largest risk factors in order of causing most fatal 
accidents?

Stuart Seffern
LantzairFlyers, Inc.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "terrence o'neill" <troneill@charter.net>
To: "Lancair Mailing List" <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 10:19 AM
Subject: [LML] Fw: [LML] Re: response to Terrence O'Neill's posting...


> To others on the list,
>    May  I point oout that Hamid's response is irrational?  For those who 
> haven't already noticed,
> in logic it's a tactic called 'begging the question'.
>    What Hamid is doing is assuming his position is correct, without 
> presenting any evidence or data.
>    Then he is con ducting a personal attack to discredit me, again without 
> presenting any evidence, but rather just casting aspersions upon my 
> character.
>    Hamid is being naughty, and should consider offering an apology.
>
> Terrence
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "terrence o'neill" <troneill@charter.net>
> To: "Lancair Mailing List" <lml@lancaironline.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 08:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [LML] Re: response to Terrence O'Neill's posting...
>
>
>> Dear Hamid,
>> That's a lot of colorful prose, and personal attacking,  just to disagree 
>> with my opinions.
>> Ate you a mecal certified psychoanalyst, or just an admirer of Karl Rove?
>> Terrence
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Hamid A. Wasti" <hwasti@starband.net>
>> To: "Lancair Mailing List" <lml@lancaironline.net>
>> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:59 PM
>> Subject: [LML] Re: response to Terrence O'Neill's posting...
>>
>>
>>> terrence o'neill wrote:
>>>> The intent was to say that the airlines are not much safer than GenAv 
>>>> in spite of the fact that they have all these extra benefits: compete 
>>>> FAA congtrol of movement, latest technology, maxim um training, 
>>>> excellent experience ... as compared to the week-end Airknocker pilot.
>>> Terrence,
>>>
>>> I believe you have a fundamental disconnect with reality if you believe 
>>> that part 121 flying is not much safer than the part 91 flying.  The 
>>> accident data shows the difference to be more than an order of 
>>> magnitude.
>>>
>>> Let me change the topic here for a second.  I have not had a chance to 
>>> look through the archives to review everything that you have written, 
>>> but I do not recall pegging you as blatantly out of touch with reality. 
>>> However, recently you have come across as a tin foil hat wearing, black 
>>> helicopter fearing, government microchip implanted in the butt kind of 
>>> militia man from around here in the back woods of Idaho.  Your spelling 
>>> and grammar have gone to hell, not to mention the logical content of 
>>> your e-mails.  The spelling and grammar are deteriorating with each 
>>> e-mail as is your grasp of reality.
>>> Terrence this is a serious suggestion, not a rhetorical one: Go and get 
>>> yourself checked out medically.  There are a number of medical 
>>> conditions where the first symptom is a change in cognitive state. 
>>> Usually the change happens at a much slower pace (months and years) for 
>>> chronic conditions and at a much faster pace (over a matter of minutes 
>>> or hours) for acute conditions, but what we are seeing from you is still 
>>> troublesome.  Please do yourself and those that care about you a great 
>>> favor and go see a doctor.  And please do all pilots a favor and ground 
>>> yourself till you get a medical clearance -- there is clearly something 
>>> going on that needs evaluation.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Hamid
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>
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