X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 11:17:55 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mxsf22.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.222] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.2) with ESMTP id 1315051 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:06:28 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.225.28.222; envelope-from=troneill@charter.net Received: from mxip30a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip30a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.189]) by mxsf22.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6PD5f5k000780 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:05:41 -0400 Received: from 68-184-229-22.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com (HELO axs) ([68.184.229.22]) by mxip30a.cluster1.charter.net with SMTP; 25 Jul 2006 09:05:41 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.07,179,1151899200"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1432826876:sNHT30110384" X-Original-Message-ID: <005701c6afeb$09aa5110$6501a8c0@axs> From: "terrence o'neill" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: response to Terrence O'Neill's posting... X-Original-Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:05:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0054_01C6AFC1.207400A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2905 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C6AFC1.207400A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert, Sounds reasonable to me. Terrence ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lancair=20 To: Lancair Mailing List=20 Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 10:56 PM Subject: [LML] Re: response to Terrence O'Neill's posting... From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Barry Hancock Subject: [LML] Re: response to Terrence O'Neill's posting... Anecdotally, think of how many people you know or have heard of dying = in GA accidents and compare that to how many people you know have died = in airliners. =20 My grandparents were killed in a car accident (drunk driver hit them) = and my uncle was hit by a train (engineer's blood alcohol not tested), = but so far no relatives have died from a GA aircraft related injury. So = GA must be much safer than cars and trains. Or maybe we need a = different sampling. =20 A better comparison for airlines would be commercial bus transport - = the Greyhound. Airliners are essentially buses with wings (Ralph = Cramden PIC) and GA aircraft are automobiles with wings. Except for the = mountains in South America buses are rarely associated with fatalies = whereas we have perhaps 40k to 50k automobile fatalities per year in the = US alone. Buses seem to be safer than cars but we all choose a car 99% = of the time and accept the risk. We minimize that risk by avoiding = alcohol (bus drivers of both types take note), do not run red lights, = travel at a safe speed, etc. I believe that if we were to sift out all = the GA accidents caused by moronic behavior that the remainder would = render a safety record a whole lot closer to 121 travel. =20 Robert M. Simon ES-P N301ES ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C6AFC1.207400A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Robert,
Sounds = reasonable to=20 me.
Terrence
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Subject: [LML] Re: response to = Terrence=20 O'Neill's posting...

From: = Lancair Mailing=20 List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Barry=20 Hancock
Subject: [LML] Re: response to Terrence O'Neill's=20 posting...
Anecdotally, think of how many people you know or have heard of = dying in=20 GA accidents and compare that to how many people you know have died in = airliners.   
 
My=20 grandparents were killed in a car accident (drunk driver hit them) and = my=20 uncle was hit by a train (engineer's blood alcohol not tested), = but so=20 far no relatives have died from a GA aircraft related = injury. =20 So GA must be much safer than cars and trains.  Or maybe we need=20 a different sampling. 
 
A=20 better comparison for airlines would be commercial bus=20 transport - the Greyhound.  Airliners are essentially buses = with=20 wings (Ralph Cramden PIC) and GA aircraft are automobiles with=20 wings.  Except for the mountains in South America buses are = rarely=20 associated with fatalies whereas we have perhaps 40k to 50k = automobile=20 fatalities per year in the US alone.  Buses seem to = be safer=20 than cars but we all choose a car 99% of the time and accept the = risk. =20 We minimize that risk by avoiding alcohol (bus drivers of both types = take=20 note), do not run red lights, travel at a safe speed, etc. =20 I believe that if we were to sift out all the GA accidents caused = by=20 moronic behavior that the remainder would render a safety record=20 a whole lot closer to 121 travel. 
 
Robert M. Simon
ES-P=20 N301ES
 
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