X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:56:33 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [70.62.14.124] (HELO server1.USTEK) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.2) with ESMTP id 1313877 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:04:21 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=70.62.14.124; envelope-from=rsimon@ustek.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: [LML] Re: response to Terrence O'Neill's posting... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6AF43.53FB3BE2" X-Original-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:05:12 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 X-Original-Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: response to Terrence O'Neill's posting... Thread-Index: AcavQI1OwlyJ9B7UQ8CwRQs3T0od3wAADXYA From: "Lancair" X-Original-Sender: "Robert Simon" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AF43.53FB3BE2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock Subject: [LML] Re: response to Terrence O'Neill's posting... Anecdotally, think of how many people you know or have heard of dying in GA accidents and compare that to how many people you know have died in airliners. =20 =20 My grandparents were killed in a car accident (drunk driver hit them) and my uncle was hit by a train (engineer's blood alcohol not tested), but so far no relatives have died from a GA aircraft related injury. So GA must be much safer than cars and trains. Or maybe we need a different sampling. =20 =20 A better comparison for airlines would be commercial bus transport - the Greyhound. Airliners are essentially buses with wings (Ralph Cramden PIC) and GA aircraft are automobiles with wings. Except for the mountains in South America buses are rarely associated with fatalies whereas we have perhaps 40k to 50k automobile fatalities per year in the US alone. Buses seem to be safer than cars but we all choose a car 99% of the time and accept the risk. We minimize that risk by avoiding alcohol (bus drivers of both types take note), do not run red lights, travel at a safe speed, etc. I believe that if we were to sift out all the GA accidents caused by moronic behavior that the remainder would render a safety record a whole lot closer to 121 travel. =20 =20 Robert M. Simon ES-P N301ES =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6AF43.53FB3BE2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

From: = Lancair Mailing=20 List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Barry=20 Hancock
Subject: [LML] Re: response to Terrence O'Neill's=20 posting...

Anecdotally, think of how many people you know or have heard of = dying in GA=20 accidents and compare that to how many people you know have died in=20 airliners.

My=20 grandparents were killed in a car accident (drunk driver hit them) and = my uncle=20 was hit by a train (engineer's blood alcohol not tested), but so = far no=20 relatives have died from a GA aircraft related injury. = So GA=20 must be much safer than cars and trains. Or maybe we need = a different=20 sampling.

A=20 better comparison for airlines would be commercial bus=20 transport - the Greyhound. Airliners are essentially buses = with wings=20 (Ralph Cramden PIC) and GA aircraft are automobiles with = wings. =20 Except for the mountains in South America buses are rarely associated = with=20 fatalies whereas we have perhaps 40k to 50k automobile fatalities = per year=20 in the US alone. Buses seem to be safer than cars but we = all=20 choose a car 99% of the time and accept the risk. We minimize that = risk by=20 avoiding alcohol (bus drivers of both types take note), do not run red = lights,=20 travel at a safe speed, etc. I believe that if we were to = sift out=20 all the GA accidents caused by moronic behavior that the remainder=20 would render a safety record a whole lot closer to 121 = travel. =20

Robert=20 M. Simon

ES-P=20 N301ES

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