X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 00:30:12 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: <5zq@cox.net> Received: from eastrmmtao01.cox.net ([68.230.240.38] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.2) with ESMTP id 1223570 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:07:03 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.240.38; envelope-from=5zq@cox.net Received: from OFFICE ([68.110.252.196]) by eastrmmtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with SMTP id <20060704180616.ZWUZ17255.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@OFFICE> for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:06:16 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <005801c69f94$899cd210$6501a8c0@OFFICE> From: "Bill&Sue" <5zq@cox.net> X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: [LML] LNC2-handling without nose strut infaltion X-Original-Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:06:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01C69F73.01CC75F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C69F73.01CC75F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Fred,=20 The LNC2 will do a soft field takeoff just fine. It just takes some = practice. I get my nosewheel in the air at about 40 kts. The plane lifts = off around 55 kts. The airplane is perfectly capable of doing this = safely.=20 We do our soft field takeoffs with about 20 degrees of flap. Start the = takeoff roll with the stick full back, just like a Cessna 150. The big = difference from a Cessna is that when the elevator gains enough bite to = lift the nosewheel it will come off the ground quite quickly. If you're = not used to this or expecting it, you'll either release too much back = pressure and the nose will slam down or you won't release the back = pressure quickly enough and you'll risk a tail strike. It really takes a = bit of rehearsal to get used to the fast reactions necessary at this = stage of the takeoff. After liftoff in ground effect, again, it takes = quick reaction and a bit of practice to keep it in ground effect a foot = or two above the runway. In addition, you need to be ready to look off = the SIDE of the nose. Forward visual reference will immediately = disappear when that long nose comes up. The always sensitive pitch = control is even more sensitive in this circumstance. Stay in ground = effect with the gear down and the flaps at 20 until you gain safe climb = speed (80 knots for us). At 50 feet or so with a positive rate of climb = retract the gear. We then retract the flaps in 2 or 3 stages until we're = back in a normal climb configuration.=20 I'm not saying that it's particularly easy to do or that everybody = should try it, but it IS possible to do this maneuver consistently and = safely with practice. Our Florida house is on a grass strip. We've been = using this technique there, as well as sand, gravel, coral, rock and mud = strips from Guatemala to Iceland for the past 5 years in our 320.=20 Bill & Sue Harrelson N5ZQ 320 1,200 hrs N6ZQ IV 9.7031% Don't try to do this in your LNC2. Maybe your 152, but not a LNC2. It = gets into ground affect,then out of it, then in, then out,etc,etc.It was = almost worse than the 1st,"shot out a cannon" takeoff. =20 Sincerely, Fred N9BF(don't fly like my brother) ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C69F73.01CC75F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Fred,

The LNC2 will do a soft field takeoff = just fine. It=20 just takes some practice. I get my nosewheel in the air at about 40 = kts.=20 The plane lifts off around 55 kts. The airplane is perfectly capable of = doing=20 this safely.

We do our soft field takeoffs with = about 20 degrees=20 of flap. Start the takeoff roll with the stick full back, just like a = Cessna=20 150. The big difference from a Cessna is that when the elevator gains=20 enough bite to lift the nosewheel it will come off the ground quite = quickly. If you're not used to this or expecting it, you'll either = release=20 too much back pressure and the nose will slam down or you = won't=20 release the back pressure quickly enough and you'll risk a = tail=20 strike. It really takes a bit of rehearsal to get used to the fast = reactions=20 necessary at this stage of the takeoff. After liftoff in ground effect, = again,=20 it takes quick reaction and a bit of practice to keep it in ground = effect a foot=20 or two above the runway. In addition, you need to be ready to look off=20 the SIDE of the nose. Forward visual reference will immediately = disappear=20 when that long nose comes up. The always sensitive pitch control is = even=20 more sensitive in this circumstance. Stay in ground effect = with the=20 gear down and the flaps at 20 until you gain safe climb speed (80 knots = for us).=20 At 50 feet or so with a positive rate of climb retract the = gear. We=20 then retract the flaps in 2 or 3 stages until we're back in a normal = climb=20 configuration.

I'm not saying that it's particularly = easy to do or=20 that everybody should try it, but it IS possible to do this = maneuver=20 consistently and safely with practice. Our Florida house is on a = grass=20 strip. We've been using this technique there, as well as sand, = gravel,=20 coral, rock and mud strips from Guatemala to Iceland for = the past 5=20 years in our 320.

Bill & Sue Harrelson

N5ZQ 320 1,200 hrs

N6ZQ IV = 9.7031%

Don't try to do this in your LNC2. = Maybe your=20 152, but not a LNC2. It gets into ground affect,then out of it, then = in, then=20 out,etc,etc.It was almost worse than the 1st,"shot out a cannon"=20 takeoff.

Sincerely, Fred N9BF(don't fly like = my=20 brother)

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