X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 04:54:19 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: <2thman@cablespeed.com> Received: from admin2.cablespeed.com ([216.15.205.76] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1c.1) with ESMTP id 1213259 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 02:25:51 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.15.205.76; envelope-from=2thman@cablespeed.com Received: from dummy.name; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 01:25:33 -0500 From: "John Barrett" <2thman@cablespeed.com> X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Pitot Heat and Checklists X-Original-Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:24:53 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: <024f01c69c0d$e7da5030$0301a8c0@Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0250_01C69BD3.3B7B7830" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: Acab+b5j/kodJMhiQ9C07pIMsVtCqQAFBCKg In-Reply-To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0250_01C69BD3.3B7B7830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for your reasoned input. John _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of VTAILJEFF@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 8:55 PM To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: [LML] Re: Pitot Heat and Checklists In a message dated 6/29/2006 6:30:05 AM Central Standard Time, 2thman@cablespeed.com writes: One struck me in particular. Jeff Edwards wrote "use a checklist". I wonder if that would work? There are numerous scenarios where checklists are not advisable or productive. Most obvious is during an emergency. The engine quits - or even acts like it's going to and you definitely do not want to be referring to a check list. You need to be on automatic mode going through the emergency steps you've practiced over and over. John, The time to get real familiar with a checklist is on the ground at home-- not in the airplane during an emergency. If you do not have your emergency checklists memorized (immediate action items, then you are toast in an emergency) Do the items, then refer to the checklist to ensure you have done them. Low altitude emergencies, obviously, like David Hickman's, will not leave you any time to refer to a checklist. However, good practices, should be the order of the day. Not checking fuel QUANTITY before takeoff or not turning on pitot heat before takeoff is not wise. SNIP>>Maybe Jeff would but I can't see that happening for many pilots and I would guess that some controllers would take exception to this activity as well. >> John, perhaps, BUT, they didn't pay for the airplane and do not pay the insurance premiums. I just know that if you do not stop the aircraft after clearing the runway and perform the after landing checklist you fail the checkride. FAA says so. As far as automatic mode, I can tell you after giving lots of FAA checkrides, automatic mode varies widely between piltos (grin). Regards, Jeff Edwards -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.6/378 - Release Date: 6/28/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.6/378 - Release Date: 6/28/2006 ------=_NextPart_000_0250_01C69BD3.3B7B7830 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for = your reasoned=20 input.

John

From: Lancair Mailing List=20 [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20 VTAILJEFF@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 8:55=20 PM
To: Lancair Mailing List
Subject: [LML] Re: Pitot = Heat=20 and Checklists

In a message dated 6/29/2006 6:30:05 AM Central Standard Time,=20 2thman@cablespeed.com writes:

One struck me in particular. Jeff = Edwards wrote=20 "use a checklist". I wonder if that would work? There are = numerous=20 scenarios where checklists are not advisable or productive. Most = obvious=20 is during an emergency. The engine quits - or even acts like = it's going=20 to and you definitely do not want to be referring to a check = list. You=20 need to be on automatic mode going through the emergency steps you've=20 practiced over and over.

John,

The time to get real familiar with a checklist is on the ground at = home--=20 not in the airplane during an emergency. If you do not have your = emergency=20 checklists memorized (immediate action items, then you are toast in an=20 emergency) Do the items, then refer to the checklist to ensure you = have=20 done them. Low altitude emergencies, obviously, like David Hickman's, = will not=20 leave you any time to refer to a checklist. However, good practices, = should be=20 the order of the day. Not checking fuel QUANTITY before takeoff or not = turning=20 on pitot heat before takeoff is not wise.

SNIP>>Maybe Jeff would but I can't see that happening = for many=20 pilots and I would guess that some controllers would take exception to = this=20 activity as well. >>

John, perhaps, BUT, they didn't pay for the airplane and do not pay = the=20 insurance premiums. I just know that if you do not stop the aircraft = after=20 clearing the runway and perform the after landing checklist you fail the = checkride. FAA says so.

As far as automatic mode, I can tell you after giving lots of FAA=20 checkrides, automatic mode varies widely between piltos (grin).

Regards,

Jeff Edwards

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